What have WE become?

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:48:03 GMT

Originally posted by gull80 You are the one that made your times an issue and a subject for discussion when you: Stated that you were faster than 90% of USMS swimmers, but didn't specify whether this meant all 42,000 members or only those who actually train seriously and compete. ... I did: 42,000. You don't pay attention. 42,000 access the same workout conditions as I do. With outputs that are different than mine.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:26:22 GMT

Originally posted by 2go+h20 Excellent Post Bert. ... Because you like Bert's post so much, you shouldn't have told that you started swimming at 33. By Bert and you here, knowledge of you starting swimming at 33 shouldn't exist. Heck, why did you say that you are diabetic too? By Bert and you here, knowledge of you being diabetic shouldn't exist either. You are inconsistent in having said your conditions, along with their corrsponding results. To be consistent, you should have said strictly your results, period.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:24:17 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza You judge on only one facet that we talk about here, and for which I don't compromize. On many facets that we don't talk about here, people who see me everyday see these traits in my personality. Well, we're all dyng here to see the positive fcets that you're talking about. Feel free to stat any time. In the meantime you get judged based on what you choose to show us. Noone's fault but your own, if you don't like what we're seeing.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:20:24 GMT

Excellent Post Bert. I get such joy out of each workout, each goal, each challenge. Each day I swim, for I simply love to swim. And I love to share that joy and success with others. To get others to reach out for new goals. I don't take my health for granted, so I treasure each day that I am able to achieve. There will always be someone better, someone who will motivate and inspire no matter what their abilities. My swimming book is filled with autographs of my 'heros'. A mix of all sorts of swimmers, including a 95 year old who did an 800 at the World Champs, popped out of the water in a sprightly energetic way, and walked off completely independently, climbed out the steps, ducked under the rope barrier no cane, glasses,or hearing aid, and with an enormous smile even though she couldn't speak any English. She knew what she meant to me. Time isn't the object. Living life well, enjoying life, keeping a balance and achieving a goal. As they say in a certain ad. It's priceless. And best of all, no one can take that feeling away. No one. Not Ever. :)

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:04:03 GMT

Originally posted by Bert Bergen ... Therefore that category, subset, or grouping does not officially exist and therefore should not be acknowledged. ... Ignorance of knowledge is not a blessing. I think you and many from your choir, you believe in the wrong century, at odds with the world of today. You might as well submit your post to the local church, not to me. Knowledge is a blessing.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:31:16 GMT

Ion, I have numerous relatives on both my side and my husband's side of the family who are from France.

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Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:21:24 GMT

Originally posted by old dog ... "C'est des boeufs." ... ...please interpret.. ... "They are cows."

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Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:17:59 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza "C'est des boeufs." [/QUOTE Long, long ago, I studied Russian, not French...please interpret..

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Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:12:40 GMT

Originally posted by laineybug This is a secular country? France--83 to 88 % Roman Catholic, 2% Protestant, 1 % Jewish, 5 to 10% Jewish, 4 % Unaffiliated. Like my native Romania. Traditionally orthodox. Every day secular. That's the cultural heritage that you look at. Not the everyday's life. Regarding everyday's life in France, by all means, learn French. Study in France. Live there. Work there. Earn a full living there, proof of your immersion. Read the news. About French banning religious dress in public. After that talk about.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:12:18 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza Everything in the nature is already or soon to be discovered by science. When I was much younger, I used to believe this too. My grandfather used to say, "Too soon old, too late smart". I am not religious at all.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:10:56 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza I still keep in mind posts where my results are demeaned; this is not good sportsmanship You are the one that made your times an issue and a subject for discussion when you: Stated that you were faster than 90% of USMS swimmers, but didn't specify whether this meant all 42,000 members or only those who actually train seriously and compete. Compared your times to those of women 10 years older than you. Insisted that no other "late bloomer" had accomplished what you had, dismissing or ignoring any and all posts to the contrary. Discredited the results of "early bloomers" because their times were obviously the result of training from 20 or 30 years ago and didn't require much effort. I have not found that USMS members judge each other by their times. In fact, I've been impressed with the encouragement that even the slowest swimmers receive at meets (and on this forum for that matter). To you, though, this is a sign of weakness. You seek recognition, but only on your terms.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:10:12 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza I do both. To know where my goals are best achieved, I look at the environment and what percentage of it I need. For example, I was looking at which country has the fastest Masters. I came to the U.S.. ... [/QUOT I think, making a gross generalization, that most American have as much fun as the French in ridiculing the other...

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:07:29 GMT

This is a secular country? France--83 to 88 % Roman Catholic, 2% Protestant, 1 % Jewish, 5 to 10% Jewish, 4 % Unaffiliated.

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Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:04:40 GMT

Originally posted by old dog ... Were is the science/proof of this? ... Everything in the nature is already or soon to be discovered by science. Not religion and superstitions.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:01:04 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza It's science. They say he has less lactic acid after a hard swim than others. Genetics or God's gift...or are you saying his lactic acid levels are due to diet? Were is the science/proof of this? Or is this your theory? I have read of racers taking mega-doses of CaCO3 to counter lactic acid buildup--is this what you are saying?

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:00:32 GMT

Originally posted by old dog Americans laugh at themselves in your presence. ... Not as ridiculing as the French ridicule the Americans. I posted this in 'Enjoyed the article about us, ordinary people', a judgment shared with me in a French restaurant last year: "C'est des boeufs." It's a culture in France to ridicule Americans, their religiousness and drive for money.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:54:03 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza Well my point is that the French laugh at Americans in my presence, Americans laugh at themselves in your presence. Americans laugh at themselves in my presence, right Tom?:D Americans laugh at themselves in the presence of ex-Croatian air-gun champions!

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:48:10 GMT

Originally posted by laineybug The last time l looked at a map, there were other countries in Europe other than France. ... I saw Germany, Austria and Belgium, and they are secular too.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:46:35 GMT

Originally posted by old dog Did you read the article Mark relayed re: Phelps? Phelps is an incredible worker, but is also a "freak" with regard to his specific physiology and flexibility..whether you want to call it God's gift or just genetics is moot. It's science. They say he has less lactic acid after a hard swim than others. The chemists will find a supplement to reproduce this that will be taken like the vitamin C is taken now. We are already not eating like two hundred years ago.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:43:01 GMT

Originally posted by old dog Now you are getting what I mean.... I swam faster at age 50 than at 37 in the distance stuff...not thru grinding out big yardage, but learning how to swim more efficiently. You, Ion, are an old dog too. Very hard to teach... And I have nothing to sell. I remember each point in this discussion. We shall see soon...

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:42:33 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza Just superstions. Instead of learning the nature in a scientific way. Did you read the article Mark relayed re: Phelps? Phelps is an incredible worker, but is also a "freak" with regard to his specific physiology and flexibility..whether you want to call it God's gift or just genetics is moot.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:41:37 GMT

The last time l looked at a map, there were other countries in Europe other than France. So I'm wondering why you think a few of your cronies (birds of a feather) are representative of all Europeans.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:40:06 GMT

Well my point is that the French laugh at Americans in my presence, when they speak with me in French. I even don't needle them on this. They are spontaneous.

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Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:33:20 GMT

Ion, I'm not going to get into a language duel with you on this board, but you'd be wrong about how many languages I speak.

RE: What have WE become?

Former Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:32:58 GMT

To be consistent, you should have said strictly your results, period. WHAT!? Have you ever posted a result without the "Late Bloomer" disclaimer?