The Fastest Age

RE: The Fastest Age

Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:51:14 GMT

Originally posted by MetroSwim Wow, that's fast. It's almost like an NQT is something to strive for... But alright then, just how close, percentage-wise, was your final time at Nationals to 10th place? You have the numbers, how many seconds off the cutoff were you? Please do the math for us since we don't have all the numbers handy. I am 45 now. Last year at 44, I went 58.40 in the 100 yards free. The NQT for men 45 to 49 is 55.36. Last year at 44, I went 12:25.80 in the 1,000 yards free. The NQT for men 45 to 49 is 12:01.57. Nationwide more than 80% of people don't make my times, and more than 90% of people don't go to the Nationals. What you see at the Nationals are less than 10% of the USMS swimmers. And no late bloomers faster than me.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:49:57 GMT

I can *do* it Ion, friend, buddy. Give me a CHANCE!!!!!

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:40:57 GMT

Originally posted by Conniekat8 You're going to Nationals, but you can't even make the NQT's of the organization that you claim is lazy and worthless, nand beneath you? ... Do you know of someone who makes NQTs in men 40 to 44 or 45 to 49 and is a late bloomer faster than me? It can't be done by anyone but me.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:38:45 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza No. Just putting a mirror in front of you. Oh, thanks, looks like I need to go comb my hair. Perhaps change my hair color. Could you hold it up and a bit sideways, I need to see the other side. And while you're at it, that light is pointing right in my eyes, would you tilt it down some. When you;re done, I have a can of pasta sause I need you to open for me. :p

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:38:34 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza ...NQT is tenth time plus 10%; more than 80% of swimmers -who go and who don't go at the Nationals- are left behind. Wow, that's fast. It's almost like an NQT is something to strive for... But alright then, just how close, percentage-wise, was your final time at Nationals to 10th place? You have the numbers, how many seconds off the cutoff were you? Please do the math for us since we don't have all the numbers handy.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:35:30 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza NQT is tenth time plus 10%; more than 50% of swimmers (sometimes more than 80% of swimmers) -who go and who don't go at the Nationals- are left behind. You're going to Nationals, but you can't even make the NQT's of the organization that you claim is lazy and worthless, nand beneath you? Guess that's why you wanna go race with fat and out of shape beginner girls like me. Guess you need that to feel superior. Racing against underdogs, and berating thingsd and people to make yourself feel better. Man, deep down iside you must be very insecure, to have built such shaky farce around yourself. The trouble with it, is you constantly need to find new sources on the outside, to beat up on, to fill that big hole you have inside. Cause when it comes from the outside, the satisfaction doesn't last very long, does it? Very sad.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:29:30 GMT

Originally posted by Conniekat8 That's right, so now what are you gonna do about it toughski guy? Type up another 300 frustrated posts bellyaching about it? No. Just putting a mirror in front of you.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:25:44 GMT

Originally posted by MetroSwim ... Put up at least one NQT, just once, and all your critics are silenced. and Originally posted by Conniekat8 How can you be near the top when you don't even make the NQT's in your age group???? In an age group, NQT is the tenth time plus 10%. In most age groups more than 50% of swimmers (and in some like men 40 to 44 more than 80% of swimmers) -who go and who don't go at the Nationals but belong to USMS- are left behind.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:20:58 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza Another inconsistency Connie: When your approach to this discussion is: "Who cares" then why you care to be in the discussion? It's like you post here without a purpose. That's right, so now what are you gonna do about it toughski guy? Type up another 300 frustrated posts bellyaching about it?

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:11:00 GMT

Wow, Deja Vu! Originally posted by Ion Beza ...being in the bottom 10% in the 40 to 44 age group at the USMS Nationals qualifies as "near the top" in all USMS, competing and non competing. Seriously, that would be such a good argument if only you had posted something even remotely close to an NQT prior to or at the meet. Otherwise, it's just another meet, albeit a big one. Didn't you hash this out in a thread a couple of years back? Nobody bought into the argument back then either... Put up at least one NQT, just once, and all your critics are silenced.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:09:05 GMT

Originally posted by Tom Ellison Connie: I have seen your beautiful picture on your USMS team's web page... PLEASE do not have Ion for breakfast...by all means....HAVE ME! :D Oh, Hi! :) You flatterer you :D Where have you been? Missed Ya :)

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:09:00 GMT

Originally posted by Scansy ... Or would we be saving Ion from Connie?:D You don't need to save me from an out of shape.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:08:37 GMT

Another inconsistency Connie: Originally posted by Conniekat8 ... Let me whisper something to you: "Who cares" ... When your approach to this discussion is: "Who cares" then why do you care to be in the discussion? You post here without a purpose.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:04:02 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza I am near the top, Bertone. Just consider all the USMS, or if you wish all the men 40 to 44 in USMS. See? Top. How can you be near the top when you don't even make the NQT's in your age group????

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:01:54 GMT

Originally posted by Ion Beza This: which was posted earlier. I think that consistency is not your forte. LOL, now you've taken up copycating. Gess my pointing out your inconsistencies myst have gotten to you, cause now you think that pointing out mine is some sort of a big deal. Let me whisper something to you: "Who cares" I don't swim for you or to prove anything, I swim for myself. I'm still eventually leave you behind, but You'll never get to race me. One day the results will get posted, and you'll have to pick your chin off the floor. No fuss, no grandstanding, no duels or big faceoffs. It's just not gonna happen on your terms, so put a plug it it and deal wioth it... In a dignified manner. That would, for a change, show some positive character traits on your part. You're about due, cause you haven't showed us many.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:53:35 GMT

Originally posted by Conniekat8 Comparing yourself to the people outside your class aghain, ay? ... I point to your attention deficit that it is old dog who first compared with me. But remember, since you made so that "...the gauntlet has been thrown down..." by issuing me a challenge, you and me we do compare now. Originally posted by Conniekat8 who cares. Again, why are you posting then? Just so that you bicker.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:40:05 GMT

Originally posted by aquageek Ion: The facts clearly say you aren't among the fastest in your age group. We have meet results to show that. ... As it was pointed before, you know it, but you argue for the sake of the argument, people who compete in USMS are faster than the majority in USMS who doesn't compete, and amongst age groups the men 40 to 44 is faster than others. Thousands of Connies -who whines that I compare with her- and Swampygeek -who whines that he cannot do a 1,000 free- make the 90% slower than me.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:23:05 GMT

I think it is sad we have slipped down the slope we call “being civil”. Being away from these posts for the better part of a week has allowed me to look at them in a different light then before. The thoughts and feelings of many of the people who post here are very raw right now. Decency, understanding, compassion, patience and kindness have been lost to pain and anger. I have learned some very valuable lessons over the past nineteen months. Often, anger is directly driven by pain. I read pain into many of the post here. People have offended one another and tramped on each others toes and people have been hurt emotionally. Gosh, I am the farthest thing from a counselor or referee for that matter, but I am qualified to say that each of us has good days, and each of us has bad days. Without exception, EVERY SINGLE POSTER was decent, understanding and compassionate towards me during a very tough time in my life. Ion has a way of invoking anger and hostility in people. Having said that, he reached out to me during a very tough time and demonstrated a very different and compassionate side then the one we see here. My point, in the final annalists we call life, what more do we really have then one another. We are a body of swimmers who share a common bond for the love of swimming and adult exercise in the water. Let us keep to this course as opposed to offending one another and fracturing our beloved sport with pain, hard feelings and anger. We are different, yet, we are the same. We all love our children, we all want to excel in life, we all want to think of ourselves are winners, we all want to be free people, we all want to raise our families and enjoy life as best we can. Regardless of how fast we are, how smart we are or anything else…. in the final toll….we all want and strive for many of the same things. As we all did on playgrounds all over the world as children, let’s shake hands and make up….

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:02:39 GMT

Originally posted by Peter Cruise I just read this entire thread from the beginning in one sitting. I can only say that never have so many people shown so much patience when dealing with someone who plainly is not interested in civil discussion and give-and-take. I have tried to show understanding in previous threads of different cultural backgrounds etc., but I have concluded that Ion is a lost cause. Two thoughts. 1) Ouch, you read this all in one sitting? You must be a distance swimmer!:D 2) There is some patience here. I think the use of this forum helps. Just imagine if this was a face to face conversation! As it stands now, everyone has time "off" from the conversation to cool down. If this was face to face over an hour or so.... just imagine the anger on everyone's face.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Would we be separating Ion and Geek? Or would we be saving Ion from Connie?:D

RE: The Fastest Age

Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:18:04 GMT

Ion, the issue is the constant "qualifying" you add to your claims and accomplishments. If you are measuring yourself by time against others, that means you are only interested in the COMPETITIVE swimmers in USMS. That being said, the numbers you are offering (faster than 80 to 90%) isn't fair because as you note, less than 10% of the 40,000 registered swimmers participate in meets. Therefore, comparing you to only those that compete (4,000), you have to look at your subset (men's 40-44) and there are less than 200 (I'd guess). None are classified as "late bloomers", "former high school swimmer", "DI swimmers", "late-late bloomers" (started in 30's), etc; just SWIMMERS. That is the group you are in, the only groups we are scored, ranked, and compete against, and in that group you ARE NOT RANKED HIGH. If you just listen and take some healthy advice (repeated often by many), you CAN improve with attention paid to technique, diet, and mental preparation. Just try it for one season. Tell no one where you got the advice; be brilliant and claim a newfound training routine! Just try expanding your training horizon and see what happens. What do you have to lose? You are a competitor and should only be looking at/comparing yourself to (if you REALLY must) to competitors, not registered swimmers. It is apples to oranges and does not reflect your efforts and how far you can still improve.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:20:02 GMT

"That 90% of USMS -including you, Connie and lots of posters in this thread- are slower than me in the 1,000 free and beyond?" Ion, What is your time for a) a 5km distance? b) a 10km distance? c) a 25km distance? d) a 34km distance? e) any other distance swum over 5kms. HAve you ever participated in the open water section of the World MAsters Swimming Championships? If so where, when, water temperature, what distance and finishing time. When giving these results please include if it was a FINA sanctioned meet, what the water temp was, and where it took place.

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aquageek — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:18:32 GMT

Ion: The facts clearly say you aren't among the fastest in your age group. We have meet results to show that. Show us the facts that you are faster than 80% of your age group. You can't, it's that simple. Give it up, you are toasted...again.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:00:24 GMT

I just read this entire thread from the beginning in one sitting. I can only say that never have so many people shown so much patience when dealing with someone who plainly is not interested in civil discussion and give-and-take. I have tried to show understanding in previous threads of different cultural backgrounds etc., but I have concluded that Ion is a lost cause.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:51:18 GMT

Originally posted by 2go+h20 But will ION age gracefully? Keep tuned for the next episode of "As the Chlorine Churns" I'm trying, really really hard, but i just can't visualize anything graceful, or even gentlemanly about Ion. I bet he beats old ladies to the spot in a supermarket line too.

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Former Member — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:42:11 GMT

But will ION age gracefully? Keep tuned for the next episode of "As the Chlorine Churns"