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Former Member — Fri, 05 Mar 2004 14:44:35 GMT

I Love this place!!! Y'all make the day so much easier!!!!:D

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swimr4life — Fri, 05 Mar 2004 09:30:00 GMT

You guys are GREAT! Masters swimmers are the funniest, happiest people I know! It's great to keep your sense of humor when many are taking life and swimming WAY too seriously! Thanks for making us all smile! :D

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:50:01 GMT

In reality, and partly based on the other thread going strong on this discussion forum, I believe pools are faster due to the VO2 Max phenomenon. I.e.:…As I previously posted, when swimmers use VO2 Shampoo during swims, it has much the same effect as dimples on a golf ball in flight. However, special care must be taken when VO2 Max is used during swims because swimmers can actually end the race before they begin if they use to much VO2 Max shampoo. Of course, my theory regarding VO2 Max is just that, it is theory, and much of my theory is as valid as some of the thought process posted regarding blood vessels in arms and all of that type stuff. Tom - seriously, I haven't noticed a much of a difference when I use VO2 shampoo. But, I didn't start training seriously until later in life so the VO2 doesn't have much as an effect on me. I really believe that the swimmers who used the shampoo during their peak formative years are much more susceptible to it's effects. Now, a more serious question arises about swimmers who use VO2 shampoo before their swims. If a swimmer uses shampoo before a top 10 time, should it be allowed? Maybe we should keep two lists, one for those who shampoo and one for those that don't. Just a thought, Michael

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:22:52 GMT

Originally posted by dorothyrd HMMM my son is swimming district on Saturday, I think I need to get the VO2 Shampoo and then he also gets to be on the thin blond list. Of course as he aged, his hair got darker, so, oh my, what do we do? VO2 MAX color enhancing shampoo? Perhaps with the right chemicals, you could get it to interact with the bleach in the pool, and have him surface blond, right after the streamline. A swim cap use might retard the VO2 MAX enhancing effect, so, forbest results, no swimcaps. Oh, and another thing, make sure his stroke rate and speed take him away from any harmful fumes this concoction may create when in contact with bleach. okay, I make no sense here... :p Back to work!

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:57:41 GMT

HMMM my son is swimming district on Saturday, I think I need to get the VO2 Shampoo and then he also gets to be on the thin blond list. Of course as he aged, his hair got darker, so, oh my, what do we do?

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:17:56 GMT

Semper Fi - jar heads do have the best looking dress uniform. Sailors have the most utility with the women.

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:10:25 GMT

Hey Gareth: Wow, consider yourself very lucky if you can get a grip on reality in just 12 steps….Heck, it takes me about a six day walk to just see past the fog….let alone think of reality. Does not, does to, does not, does to…. Leonard….your right…if I mess around with the bull long enough eventually I’m going to get the horn….I just couldn’t resist putting my two cents worth in by adding a bit of humor to my thoughts on all that nonsense. Wayne:….don’t even get me going on the difference between the Irish and Scotch…”WE” both know it has nothing to do with that….It’s a Jar Head thing….RIGHT? I am not sure I get better or worse after a few drinks because I always fall of the stool and never can figure out what went wrong....In all reality (is none-is to-is not), I'm on the wagon....and it is not the Clidesdale wagon...

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 08:25:10 GMT

Right on all three accounts

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 08:17:03 GMT

Laineybug....are you saying the sheep get better:D Or that they like to laugh too:D

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 08:15:51 GMT

Thank you Tom for brightening up my day !! I can now put the Vo2 Max discussion away. I feared that i would have to go into a 12 steps program to recover my grip on reality !!:D :D :D

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 08:00:45 GMT

Originally posted by Tom Ellison Michael, your post raises some very interesting moral questions regarding the legality of swimmers using VO2 Shampoo to enhance performance especially those with former swimming experience as children. Perhaps we can lobby for many new categories or divisions we can compete in USMS. You were obviously one of those kids who just HAD to tease the cat after your mom warned you not to do so. If you tease the Troll and get bitten, no whining from you, young man... -LBJ

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 07:54:02 GMT

Using LCM splits then raises the question whether or not the findings would be applicable to scy or scm pools. Some one should talk a timing console opperatio into using touch pads at both ends of the pools during scy and lcm nationals. WHAT DATA that would generate! Some one need a research paper?

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 07:49:38 GMT

so do the other sheep.

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 07:40:00 GMT

Tom, I am Scottish, not Irish. Do you get better over a few drinks? Swimmers love to laugh.

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 07:36:58 GMT

Tom, never met you, but I like you already!!!!! I can't quit laughing!!!!:D

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 07:33:26 GMT

It is ok Wayne...I DON'T Get my humor.... Do so, do not, do so, do not, so, not, so.... What ever you do...never laugh during sex..... it scares the other sheep away....

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 07:30:10 GMT

Tom, you crack me up:D :D I think I have been laughing for ten minutes now. I won't be able to get through practice now, I just know I will think of the poor disadvantaged fish who doesn't use VO2 max shampoo, and will crack up right in mid stroke. Or worse during sex:mad: She would just not get your humor.

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:55:38 GMT

Michael, your post raises some very interesting moral questions regarding the legality of swimmers using VO2 Shampoo to enhance performance especially those with former swimming experience as children. Perhaps we can lobby for many new categories or divisions we can compete in USMS. • Former age group swimmers who do not use performance enhancing VO2 Shampoo. • Former age group swimmers who do USE VO2 Shampoo. • Swimmers who began to swim in later life that DO use VO2 Shampoo. • Swimmers who began to swim in later life that DO NOT use VO2 Shampoo. • Swimmers who have larger blood vessels in their arms from weight training. • Swimmers who have smaller blood vessels in their arms due to a lack of weight training. • Swimmers who are dedicated. • Swimmers who are lazy. • Swimmers on drugs. • Swimmers off drugs. • Swimmers with blond hair. • Swimmers with no hair. • Chubby swimmers. • Thin swimmers. • All the rest. Of coarse, I suggest this as a serious alternative to the obviously unfair system we currently compete in due to the lack of compassion demonstrated by USMS toward those swimmers who did not swim as a child or currently use performance enhancing methods such as VO2 Shampoo. Just my thought…and these thoughts are in no way directed toward the management of our fine organization (USMS)…..and they are in no way meant as a personal attack on any poster, swimmer, man, woman, child, dog, cat, fish or foul.

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Jim Clemmons — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 03:19:08 GMT

Actually, Long Course Nat's usually (always?) have pads at both ends. Jim

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Jim Clemmons — Thu, 04 Mar 2004 02:24:18 GMT

By Laineybug: never mind, I just realized that for most swim meets the split is in both directions. But not Long Course. Use LCM splits. Jim ;)

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Former Member — Wed, 03 Mar 2004 10:28:11 GMT

never mind, I just realized that for most swim meets the split is in both directions.

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Former Member — Wed, 03 Mar 2004 10:22:35 GMT

okay, maybe you all can test your theory about faster in one direction than the other. Go get some swim meet results and look at the splits--add and average every other one. Each swimmer would then have two averages--one going from deep end to shallow then from shallow to deep. Now test to see if there is a significant difference between the directions.

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Former Member — Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:13:29 GMT

Kevin's on to something here. To add to this, two pools in this area come to mind as far as the shallow end is concerned: The Natatoriums at the University of Maryland in College Park, Maryland and George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. If my memory serves me correctly (?), they are both at least 8 ft. deep in the shallow ends, becoming deeper for the diving wells (to 13 ft.). This probably results in a uniform state of non-turbulence, not to mention the use of deep guttering systems and the use of two lane dividers for each lane, even at the lanes on the ends. (Won't this be nice to have in the back yard?) Wouldn't this make an interesting question to ask the likes of Michael Phelps et al?

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Former Member — Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:36:21 GMT

Kevin - That certainly seems to make sense. It also would explain why my technique always seems more tenuous in the shallow end. Quite similar to getting stuck in one of the outside lanes and dealing with turbulance coming off the walls. Thanks. -LBJ

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knelson — Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:42:23 GMT

Originally posted by Kevin in MD Competition pools are always over 6 feet deep for the olympics and such. This from the fact that folks did a test and found that at 6 feet, there is no disturbance at the bottom from swimming at the surface. And this matters how? Drag. Apparently it's somethign to do with pressure waves bouncing back up off of the bottom of the pool. Really I don't remember the details but you can readily find out why world championship poolsare 5 feet plus. There's absolutely no question that deep pools are faster. I'd be surprised if six feet is the cutouff for no disturbance, though. I would think it would be substantially more. Maybe ten feet or more.