all-american standards?

RE: all-american standards?

Former Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:34:46 GMT

I was cut from the U of North Dakota team. That was my sole reason for coming to this frigid state from Oregon, to swim. They have a good business school, and I met my gf here so I'm going to finish what I start. The coach specifically told me, "there are too many people on the team, you wont be able to imrpove." After thinking about it for more than a week or so, I wanted to know more but never persued(sp?) it. That was in fall of '02, and now, there are people that have quit because of the coach, and people who are still swimming that dont like him. I looked at times, and I could have placed with my high school times. That's why I want to get back into shape, I want to practice at the pool they practice at, where the coach could see me when I get back into shape and show him what he's missing out on. The guy that was slower was a junior. I was lapping him in practice. I would think that the coach would cut someone that slow. No girls got cut, me, and 3 other guys as far as I know. I'm sure that it is Title IX stuff. UND is a D.II school, despite people wanting them to move to D.I AA like NDSU. I hated the whole thing, I was only thinking about swimming to get into shape until I saw times yesterday that I could achieve and be a good masters level swimmer with a bit of training. I will keep my eyes peeled for a student led masters or workout group. Thanks for your help.

RE: all-american standards?

Former Member — Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:21:36 GMT

Spt, I am a bit curiousity about the current state of college athletics. (Well, actually, I'm concerned.) Could you explain a bit more about your team cutting swimmers? Division I, II or III? I'm assuming that a scholarship is not the issue, correct? Your men's team actually has so many people "walking on" that they can afford to take only the swimmers they want? Has the coach explained why the size of the team is limited? (pool space, coaching time, Title IX, can only afford to have so many swimmers on the traveling squad?) As far as a "slower" swimmer on the squad, I could see that under the right circumstances. If the individual is a senior and has contributed in the past, he may be kept on in recognition of that, and the fact that the freshmen have three more chances. He could be on the team for a different event. Plenty of explanations, as well as the possibility of nepotism. But, I think you are on the right track trying to stay positive, and pursuing your chances for next year. Have you checked the places to swim section of this web site? Also, if you're at a mid to large university, the chances are good that there is a student run "masters team" or workout group, esp. if the varsity are cutting people who want to swim. Good luck. Please feel free to join the discussion threads, or contact us off-line, if you have any questions, or are looking for advice. Good Luck, Matt

RE: all-american standards?

Former Member — Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:09:09 GMT

thanks a lot. I got cut from my school's team. I swam in high school and now, after I've seen times from the conference meet, knowing I could score, I'm going to try my best and get back into shape and hopefully join up with the masters here in ND, if I can find them, lol. Got cut, "too many people on the team." there's a person I work with and he's in the same boat as I was, we both were lapping someone and that guy didn't get cut, I was super ticked off.

RE: all-american standards?

Jim Clemmons — Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:32:15 GMT

Here are the times for 2003, your age group: short course yards, male, 19-24: 50 1 Andrew Killian 23 ALEX Potomac Valley 27.16 100 1 Andy Nonaka 23 WCM Pacific 1:00.76 200 1 Mark Quinn 23 MICH Michigan 2:13.52 http://www.usms.org/comp/tt/ will give you more than enough info for what you're looking for. Different years, age groups, courses, etc. Jim

RE: all-american standards?

Rob Copeland — Wed, 25 Feb 2004 05:59:28 GMT

105.4. ALL-AMERICAN RECOGNITION 105.4.1—Individual Recognition The USMS member with the fastest listed time for an individual event for that season shall be declared the All-American in that event for the year.