https://community.usms.org/swimming/f/general/1934/breaststroke-kickA while back there was a thread that discussed the use of a board for kicking - is it good or not. I know that in my case when I use a board my shoulders hurt. It seems to put some weird stresses on the shoulder. So here is my question: Is there aen-USTelligent Community 12https://community.usms.org/thread/9709?ContentTypeID=1Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:36:02 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:526a4251-5748-426b-af26-1ef501b8a7efFormer MemberJust use fists and a very tiny stroke with arms in front ... you&#39;ll be mainly kicking and &quot;waving&quot; down the pool.<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/9681?ContentTypeID=1Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:17:50 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:3f3b10e1-e270-4cf5-abd3-40e93965d2a0Former Memberbreastroke kick on your back!!!!also trains the &quot;opposing muscle&quot;<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/9649?ContentTypeID=1Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:56:08 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:54cf8065-67f5-41e5-8f8c-63d795ef570aFormer MemberHi Paul, I do a boardless breaststroke kick by holding my arms at my sides. It forces you to use your short axis (wave). You breathe at the same point as if you were pulling. Also, with hands placed alongside the hips, I try to touch my feet on each recovery so that I know my kick is staying as streamline as possible and not going too wide. We recently did a breaststroke set with a pull buoy that was a great drill for keeping your kick narrow. You had to hold your thighs together to hang on to the pull buoy and really work the rotation on the lower leg to get any propulsion. Breaststroke is the best stroke! :p Kim<div style="clear:both;"></div>