Anyone concerned about risks to our family?

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Former Member — Wed, 17 Jun 2020 10:17:04 GMT

Keith, I feel much the same. I'm more concerned about the swimmers whizzing (or noddling) by me, breathing, talking, yelling, etc. If I could swim alone (and be the first in the pool, lol), I'd feel better, but that isn't happening in my area.

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KeithPav — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 06:21:25 GMT

I am concerned for myself. The outdoor 50 meter pool at my health club opened recently and they are allowing 4 swimmer per lane. I know from swimming there the last 5+ years that although there are few times when there are more than 2 swimmers per lane, those times do occur. I am not even comfortable with sharing a lane, as I know exhale strongly, and sometimes cough or sneeze mid-lane due to allergies and whatnot and because the general lap swimmer at this facility spends A LOT of time on the wall. Not to mention that the pool has "transformed" within the last year from an almost strictly workout pool to more of a "family gathering pool" with families sitting around the deck and young kids jumping off the sides and starting blocks into occupied lanes with very little adult supervision and zero awareness. I am thinking about suspending my membership through the fall when the families will be gone and people generally slow down on the outdoor swimming. I would love to swim outdoors but I do not want someone in my lane at this time.

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Former Member — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 15:51:45 GMT

Hi Elaine, you're lucky that you have such a nice "private" pool. one of the most congested states in the US with one of the highest # of COVID cases, I suspect that all the swimmers from our indoor gyms will flock to the 2 local outdoor pools in my area. One pool only has 2 lanes open all day for swimmers, and is insanely busy with camps and kids. The other pool has very wide lanes in which circle swimming occurred constantly. I'm not sure when they open (next week) how they will coordinate swimming.

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Elaine Krugman — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 12:40:16 GMT

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Just wear a &^*%ing mask. :chug: We'll agree on that! It's just too bad that message doesn't come from the top. I can just hear COVIDiots across the country complaining, "President Trump won't wear one, so why should I? Even Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, and other medical experts weren't wearing masks while standing right next to each other at press conferences long after they directed others to wear them. They finally did after several weeks. Then, wouldn't you know, Dr. Fauci had to self-quarantine due to exposure... Note to EVERYBODY: Stop making masks political! :bitching: The facts are clear that cloth masks protect the wearer from transmitting AND/OR contracting the virus, even if they aren't as effective as N95's (which should be saved for first responders in most cases). When you go out in public, wear a mask not just to protect others, but to protect yourself!

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Former Member — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 05:57:36 GMT

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Elaine Krugman — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 03:30:19 GMT

With out continuing the mask controversy, (and I agree that people need to wear masks when appropriate) I'm still interested in how safe do fellow swimmers feel getting back into the pool, sharing a pool with people who could be carriers (or heaven forbid, ill), breathing heavily, maybe choking, spitting, passing one another in lanes? In my case, I feel safe, because I'm just about the only one around! The outdoor pool in my Sun City community has a two-lane lap swimming section that is off to the side. Most of the time, I have been the only one swimming. When another swimmer is in the pool, I make sure I stop on opposite ends from them, and I don't engage in conversation until one or both of us are out on deck and far enough apart. In the pool, though, the lanes are already "socially distanced" by design. I make sure to stop on the far side from the other swimmer, and I always breathe away from them on freestyle. Next week, the indoor pool is re-opening, and it's on a reservation system with a limit. Again, considering the steps they are taking, I feel safe. My mask will stay on until I get in the water, and it will return back on my face as soon as I'm finished rinsing off. For my post-swim dryland work, I will move back outside into the shade.

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Former Member — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:55:21 GMT

I heard that Texas #s were up. Are your pools open? Yes but with some exceptions. The Texas Swim Center at UT is still closed.

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Former Member — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:41:44 GMT

Hospital admissions for Covid-19 here In Austin have doubled in the past two weeks, and 35% are under the age of 50. Please wear your mask and practice social distancing. We are not done with this. I heard that Texas #s were up. Are your pools open?

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Former Member — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:18:34 GMT

Hospital admissions for Covid-19 here In Austin have doubled in the past two weeks, and 35% are under the age of 50. Please wear your mask and practice social distancing. We are not done with this.

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Elaine Krugman — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:50:02 GMT

With "reopening" the #'s seem to be gong up in most states ! And, you're surprised by that? Just wait another week or two and see where the numbers are in many of the states. Sweden never closed, and their statistics are a disaster compared to their neighbors. New Zealand went on strict lock down, and ended up with only 1504 cases and 22 deaths. (I live in a county of 60,000 people, and we have had 24 deaths.). There are now ZERO cases in New Zealand! New Zealand may be a small country of only 4.8 million people; however, as a percentage of their population, those are some amazing coronavirus statistics compared to anywhere else in the world. Until people start taking this virus seriously, Gull is right. We aren't done with this, and we're not going to be done with this for a long time. Strap in.

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Elaine Krugman — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:32:48 GMT

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orca1946 — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:30:27 GMT

With "reopening" the #'s seem to be gong up in most states ! I'm still going to be doing dryland stuff for a while yet into the future.

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Former Member — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:29:40 GMT

I will stand by my 50-85% Yes.

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Former Member — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 11:07:22 GMT

I cannot tell you how angry/baffled I am when a certain political leader is going to fill a stadium next week. What kind of an example does this set?

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67King — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 10:07:22 GMT

15%? 67 King, I will stand by my 50-85% as stated in this article: theweek.com/.../truth-about-masks Most of what I see is consistent with this article, www.theatlantic.com/.../, which reads: "Protecting the wearer is difficult: It requires medical-grade respirator masks, a proper fit, and careful putting on and taking off. But masks can also be worn to prevent transmission to others, and this is their most important use for society. If we lower the likelihood of one personâ€™s infecting another, the impact is exponential, so even a small reduction in those odds results in a huge decrease in deaths. Luckily, blocking transmission outward at the source is much easier. It can be accomplished with something as simple as a cloth mask." But I can't seem to find the numbers I mentioned earlier. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Just wear a &^*%ing mask.

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Elaine Krugman — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 09:24:14 GMT

I cannot tell you how angry/baffled I am when a certain political leader is going to fill a stadium next week. What kind of an example does this set? Without getting political for "fear" of having yet another thread locked, I will provide this non-political just-released link that helps in answering your question: www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-us-worst-fighting-outbreak-leaked-cdc-document-yahoo-2020-6

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Former Member — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 08:32:20 GMT

And, you're surprised by that? Just wait another week or two and see where the numbers are in many of the states. Sweden never closed, and their statistics are a disaster compared to their neighbors. New Zealand went on strict lock down, and ended up with only 1504 cases and 22 deaths. (I live in a county of 60,000 people, and we have had 24 deaths.). There are now ZERO cases in New Zealand! New Zealand may be a small country of only 4.8 million people; however, as a percentage of their population, those are some amazing coronavirus statistics compared to anywhere else in the world. Until people start taking this virus seriously, Gull is right. We aren't done with this, and we're not going to be done with this for a long time. Strap in. Yeah, without mentioning names/countries, I'm shocked about the "politics" of what I see. The virus doesn't give a f*** about your feelings. Anyway.....today marks exactly 3 months off swimming for me. I'm certain that I'll see 4 months off. "FREE CANADA" :)

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Elaine Krugman — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 07:53:29 GMT

15%? 67 King, I will stand by my 50-85% as stated in this article: theweek.com/.../truth-about-masks

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67King — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 05:57:35 GMT

It has been proven that cloth masks are anywhere from 50% (for a tea towel) to 80% (for a well-fitting multi-layered cloth mask) effective in contracting the virus; however, Americans are too vain and macho to wear them, and our country's leaders are not showing by example. It's "Do as I say, not as I do." Hypocrisy! I had initially typed a bit more, but decided I didn't want to veer towards the political, but suffice it to say that we are probably on the same page. Regardless, I really think taht in this case, ignorance plays as much of a role as anyhtihng else. The numbers I have generally seen are that the mask is only about 15% effective for protecting the wearer when interacting with an infected person. HOwever, if the infected person is wearing a mask, it is about 85% effective. In the upper 90's if both are. But the point, I believe, is that people don't wear them because their preferred sources of news are saying they don't work. The sad thing is that the calls for re-opening are the loudest from those who refuse to wear them. Which has me allwww.youtube.com/watch

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Elaine Krugman — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 03:29:46 GMT

Agree. That said, Japan also did not go into a lockdown. And Japan has the lowest rate of any of the world's sizable economies. The difference, though, is that as soon as it came out, the people there automatically social distanced, and put on masks. The biggest factor in this, I believe, is how the population responds. And the US completely and totally failed the test, and anecdotally, continues to utterly fail. Absolutely! The cultural differences between Japanese people and Americans couldn't be more clear than during this pandemic. The Japanese as a whole are much more compliant and respectful of each other. They also trust scientific facts and scientists much more than Americans do, where "fake news" has become the daily mantra for so many. It has been proven that cloth masks are anywhere from 50% (for a tea towel) to 80% (for a well-fitting multi-layered cloth mask) effective in contracting the virus; however, Americans are too vain and macho to wear them, and our country's leaders are not showing by example. It's "Do as I say, not as I do." Hypocrisy!

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67King — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 01:16:01 GMT

And, you're surprised by that? Just wait another week or two and see where the numbers are in many of the states. Sweden never closed, and their statistics are a disaster compared to their neighbors. New Zealand went on strict lock down, and ended up with only 1504 cases and 22 deaths. (I live in a county of 60,000 people, and we have had 24 deaths.). There are now ZERO cases in New Zealand! New Zealand may be a small country of only 4.8 million people; however, as a percentage of their population, those are some amazing coronavirus statistics compared to anywhere else in the world. Until people start taking this virus seriously, Gull is right. We aren't done with this, and we're not going to be done with this for a long time. Strap in. Agree. That said, Japan also did not go into a lockdown. And Japan has the lowest rate of any of the world's sizable economies. The difference, though, is that as soon as it came out, the people there automatically social distanced, and put on masks. The biggest factor in this, I believe, is how the population responds. And the US completely and totally failed the test, and anecdotally, continues to utterly fail.

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Former Member — Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:38:27 GMT

Hi, scyfreestyler, my post wasn't meant to elicit a thread about who is at risk. I'm wondering how many fellow masters swimmers are not as concerned about placing family members at risk by going back into the pools. CDC says the chlorine kills the virus, yet no pool toys or pool equipment (in some pools) cannot be brought in. If the chlorine kills the virus, shouldn't it kill possible virus particles on pool toys and kickboards, etc.? It's just too contradictory. And as many have pointed out here, it's about the swimmers breathing hard next to us, the air itself, etc. Didn't mean to derail your thread. There was some commentary above about young people being largely safe from COVID and I felt that the article was pertinent to the subject matter.

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Former Member — Fri, 12 Jun 2020 09:25:17 GMT

scyfreestyler, no problem. Actually, that video freaked me out even more. There is so much we don't know about this virus. Are you able to get back into swimming?

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Former Member — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 16:21:09 GMT

www.nytimes.com/.../coronavirus-lung-transplant.html Call it an anomaly if you prefer, though I doubt that would be of much solace to this 20 year old patient. To me, it also points to the fact that the number of deaths in a given age group only tell part of the story. There are others who survive, yet may have lifelong health issues because of their COVID infection. Hi, scyfreestyler, my post wasn't meant to elicit a thread about who is at risk. I'm wondering how many fellow masters swimmers are not as concerned about placing family members at risk by going back into the pools. CDC says the chlorine kills the virus, yet no pool toys or pool equipment (in some pools) cannot be brought in. If the chlorine kills the virus, shouldn't it kill possible virus particles on pool toys and kickboards, etc.? It's just too contradictory. And as many have pointed out here, it's about the swimmers breathing hard next to us, the air itself, etc.

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Former Member — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:25:15 GMT