DQ overturned

RE: DQ overturned

Former Member — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 16:17:58 GMT

A photo of someone's butt isn't pornography. This whole story is ridiculous. Some girls' suits ride up, others' don't. Who cares? Should a guy get DQed if you can see his butt crack? Totally agree with the Anchorage School District's position: Well, per the diagram I saw attached to one article, yes, a male swimmer could be DQ'd for plumber's crack, as the rule illustrated required suits to cover the buttocks entirely. Should he be is less relevant than would he be. Likely, no one would notice unless some chap's entire ass was hanging out. The fact that a female swimmer's purported cheek generates complaints, where a male's at the same meet wouldn't, is sexism in action. Adult men AND women are viewing a minor female athlete as having an ulterior sexual motive, not as an athlete paying more attention to her performance than her suit fit.

RE: DQ overturned

flystorms — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:25:10 GMT

So I read that the official has been dismissed and the DQ overturned. That said, another point missed completely on this thread so far is that the suit was a team issued suit. The same cut doesn't work on every body type, obviously. The no boobs/butts girls can wear a suit one way and the ones who are "curvier" have issues with it and vice versa. The school, IMO, also shoulders some of the responsibility going forward. If they require a certain look, then it should have a few alternative cuts for different butts.

RE: DQ overturned

Mark Usher — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:25:20 GMT

From an official's standpoint, since I wasn't present, I can't and don't want to comment on the call. That being said: The NFHS did make the suit rule a formal Point of Emphasis this year, no doubt influenced by the SafeSport and USA Swimming Minor Athlete Abuse Prevention Policy (MAAPP) initiatives. Specifically, NFHS Rule 3.3 Art. 2. That rule says that "Females shall wear suits which cover the buttocks and breasts and shall not extend beyond the shoulders or below the top of the knee cap, nor cover the neck." That's it. Obviously subject to interpretation and people reading what they want to into it. As officials, our primary responsibility is to insure fair competition and the safety of the athletes, not to be arbiters of morality or fashion. IMHO, that responsibility should fall back on the athletic directors, coaches and parents. Ironically, I worked a meet this past week where a poor novice freshman male swimmer had team-issued suit that was several sizes too large. It came about halfway up his chest and came down well past his knees. Technically, it was in violation of the same Rule 3.3 Art 2, but the was no way I was going to DQ the kid. My real fear was that the thing was going to come off in the water...

RE: DQ overturned

orca1946 — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:29:15 GMT

Many old jammers are becoming see thru when bent over -- men and women.

RE: DQ overturned

habu987 — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:49:29 GMT

A kid on my age group team around 2001 or 2002 forgot to tie his jammers and they ended up around his knees off the start. He treaded water for a bit while pulling them up and tying them, then continued his race. No DQ that I can remember. Heck, before I switched to wearing jammers at meets in 2003, I had a drawer full of old meet speedos; one meet, I'd grabbed the wrong speedo and was informed after my first race that while I was bending over on the start, the center couple of inches of the back of the suit was completely see-through, leading to me mooning everyone behind me. No DQ on that race, but I think it was only see-through when it was stretched on the start.

RE: DQ overturned

orca1946 — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:06:39 GMT

When I coached H S swimming. The school ordered girls suits without any linning in the front of the top portion of the suit that was a yellow color. When wet this portion became almost transparent! We had the mom's sew in a darker blue in the top of the suit. It only took warm ups for most of us involved to be a bit embarrassed.

RE: DQ overturned

knelson — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:46:56 GMT

A photo of someone's butt isn't pornography. This whole story is ridiculous. Some girls' suits ride up, others' don't. Who cares? Should a guy get DQed if you can see his butt crack? Totally agree with the Anchorage School District's position: the Anchorage School District has concluded that our swimmer was targeted based solely on how a standard, school-issued uniform happened to fit the shape of her body. We cannot tolerate discrimination of any kind, and certainly not based on body shape. This disqualification was heavy-handed and unnecessary

RE: DQ overturned

orca1946 — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 11:40:59 GMT

Gymnastics uses a spray tacky glue on the behinds to keep "weggies" from happening. I don't see that happening in swimming!

RE: DQ overturned

ForceDJ — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:33:08 GMT

During the h.s. swim season, there are pictures daily of h.s. swimmers in the local newspapers...many of those photos are unflattering...so wouldn't that be distribution of child pornography like the article claims? Dan

RE: DQ overturned

67King — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 08:10:54 GMT

Should a guy get DQed if you can see his butt crack?: That depends, is he a plumber by day?

RE: DQ overturned

Patrick W. Brundage — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:32:06 GMT

In the 1980s the anchor swimmer at NCAAs in a mens relay lost his suit on the dive(this was when all guys wore briefs, I believe it was a University of Texas swimmer.) 'I can't comment about a UT guy doing this at NCAAs, but I do remember one of our Longhorn guys losing his suit at a dual meet in California in the late 80s ... pretty sure it was Berkeley... and no DQ.

RE: DQ overturned

Allen Stark — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 05:01:24 GMT

In the 1980s the anchor swimmer at NCAAs in a mens relay lost his suit on the dive(this was when all guys wore briefs, I believe it was a University of Texas swimmer.) He finished the race and his relay won and was not DQd. They asked him what he was thinking when this happened and he said"I was glad I wasn't swimming backstroke.''

RE: DQ overturned

__steve__ — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 04:53:05 GMT

Who cares? Should a guy get DQed if you can see his butt crack?Or completely falls off after the start? No different than a DQ from a cap that falls off. This has attention just because of a unavoidable partial view of a butt. These Alaskans should go on vacation in Hawaii from time to time

RE: DQ overturned

67King — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 03:54:17 GMT

The hypocrisy of this is infuriating to me. Although I cannot condone distributing an unflattering pic of a child without permission, if a picture of the kid is "pornography," then don't the officials have a serious legal mandate to discourage it from being seen at a high school meet? Yeah, that struck me as pretty odd, too.

RE: DQ overturned

Jeff Enge — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:36:52 GMT

This whole story is ridiculous. The story is ridiculous, and the hot takes on it are at least as ridiculous. This is the 2019 world of news...

RE: DQ overturned

Former Member — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:35:40 GMT

I read about this case elsewhere. The girl was wearing a suit issued by the school. I'm withholding judgement either way. I can imagine a sassy teen pulling the suit around deliberately to become borderline obscene and I can imagine a HS official getting out of hand, too. I have not seen any pictures, which could clarify the situation. But then I don't expect to see any pics. If her presentation was, in fact, obscene, she is 17, so possessing the pics would be a felony.

RE: DQ overturned

Former Member — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:16:15 GMT

gen.medium.com/alaska-high-s...l-33cc10f180b9 This is a good piece of writing. "We cannot allow our organization to become one that engages in body-shaming — it should promote a healthy body image for all athletes." Amen. I dunno. The author, Lauren Langford, in the same article says: She is a minor — that parent should be arrested for possession and distribution of child pornography. The hypocrisy of this is infuriating to me. Although I cannot condone distributing an unflattering pic of a child without permission, if a picture of the kid is "pornography," then don't the officials have a serious legal mandate to discourage it from being seen at a high school meet? I must disagree with you Annguins - to me, it is an appalling piece of writing.

RE: DQ overturned

Former Member — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:41:39 GMT

RE: DQ overturned

Former Member — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:38:17 GMT

It should NOT be a sexual issue, but the mom from last year and the female swim official are making it seem so, not the media.

RE: DQ overturned

orca1946 — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:05:48 GMT

As it should be. After looking at the Approved vs. the not approved" suit coverage, that unproved area seems so small as be non recognizable. The reduction of that small an area will not offend anyone that I know. Maybe my "excess" side pods will offend more than anything I see here!

RE: DQ overturned

67King — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 10:10:12 GMT

It should NOT be a sexual issue, but the mom from last year and the female swim official are making it seem so, not the media. The initial reports cited a coach who stated "Lauren Langford, who coaches swimming at another high school in the area, told The Washington Post that she believes racism, in addition to sexism, may have been a factor," They also reported that the parent the prior year was a male "indicated to the parent who took the photographs that it was not permissible for him to take pictures " Those are from the Washington Post, where I first saw it. It was discussed on NPR, and countless other news outlets have reported essentially the same thing. I just am discouraged that we seem to automatically just go there before we know anything.

RE: DQ overturned

Former Member — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 06:53:32 GMT

My understanding was that they noticed the wedgie when she got out after finishing a race, but I might have misread. Everyone's lost some coverage in a race at some point, and there's not exactly time to pick a wedge.

RE: DQ overturned

67King — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 04:24:17 GMT

This thing just irks me on so many levels. And I am not trying to be political, I hope I don't get that way, but it might come across that way. 1. Stop calling this girl "curvy" the same way you call plus size models like Ashley Graham. CNN had a video of this girl (and her sister) working out, doing resistance training. They are not dainty, but they are FIT. They look pretty darn athletic. 2. We have had 2 girls (both white, FWIW) on our USA team with this issue. Both very fit girls who make Sectional times, one of whom is knocking on the door to Futures and is being recruiting by a Pac-12 school. And guess what.....parents grumble. Parents of the younger kids on the team. The one parent who complained was the mother of a young girl. The official who made the DQ was a lady, as well (presumably also a swim Mom). 3. This isn't about sexism or racism, IMHO. It really irks me that the media has gone out and tried to label it such, as it inherently carries a stigma that may extend to the whole sport in some people's minds. This is about prudish parents (moms, at that!) who likely/presumably never swam competitively in their high school days. 4. The point about about the potential deliberate nature of teh swimmer doing it. I don't think taht is an unfair question to ask. Of the two girls I mentioned earlier on our team, one of them is the kind of girl you want your daughters to become. There is NFW that girl does it intentionally. The other girl I don't think did, but Icouldn't dismiss it. 5. My skinny, small butt daughters have had their suits ride up on them a few times. Which gets to the above point. It can even happen to girls who are not physically built in a way that makes it more likley.

RE: DQ overturned

Allen Stark — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 03:14:50 GMT

This has generated a lot of interest from the national media. Here is an interesting take on the controversy gen.medium.com/alaska-high-school-swimming-divings-inexcusable-swimsuit-scandal-33cc10f180b9. I don't know anything about the author, but she seems closer to the siuation.