What's wrong (or misleading) with this quote?

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ForceDJ — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 11:23:57 GMT

Came upon this link/thread from 2009. Some of you same peeps commented back then on the same subject. forums.usms.org/showthread.php Dan

RE: What's wrong (or misleading) with this quote?

knelson — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 11:13:00 GMT

Because a lap is typically a noun and to lap or lapped is a verb. They are two different words with similar but different meanings. Come on! Not buying this explanation. :)

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Swimosaur — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 09:33:41 GMT

Caeleb Dressel breathes every stroke in the 100, too, and he just broke Adrian's American Record! As noted!

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knelson — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 05:49:24 GMT

What's wrong (or misleading) about the quote, is the belief you shouldn't breathe every stroke in 100 free. According to our own Water Rat, And who is to argue with Water Rat, much less Nathan Adrian? :banana: Caeleb Dressel breathes every stroke in the 100, too, and he just broke Adrian's American Record!

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Swimosaur — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 03:42:41 GMT

:dedhorse: I claim victory! The original question was, "What's wrong (or misleading) with this quote?" The whole lap/lapped/length :worms: is neither wrong nor misleading. At best, it's confusing. A mere distraction. Of no consequence. What's wrong (or misleading) about the quote, is the belief you shouldn't breathe every stroke in 100 free. According to our own Water Rat, I asked this exact question to Nathan Adrian a few months ago. His response? He breathes every stroke in a 100 free but not at all in a 50 free. He's been pretty successful at that distance I'd say. :) And who is to argue with Water Rat, much less Nathan Adrian? :banana:

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m2tall2 — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 03:05:22 GMT

Come on! Not buying this explanation. :) I know! Right?! :) The English language can be pretty messed up. When my husband and I tried to explain to my kindergartener that knife begins with a k, he really thought we were pulling his leg.

RE: What's wrong (or misleading) with this quote?

m2tall2 — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 08:09:33 GMT

If lap didn't mean 2 lengths why do we say we "lapped" another person when we are 2 above their total? Because a lap is typically a noun and to lap or lapped is a verb. They are two different words with similar but different meanings. You can't lap someone without another person but you can swim a lap by yourself. The distance between the two people creates the course, not the course itself. If two people start at the same time it will probably take multiple times up and down the pool before a person is lapped. To compare, there's a bench or to bench. Similar words with similar but different meanings. He sat on a bench. Did you see what that guy benched? No, he did not pick up the bench, although he probably could have.

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knelson — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 06:22:06 GMT

If lap didn't mean 2 lengths why do we say we "lapped" another person when we are 2 above their total? The counter example is if a lap is 2 lengths then why does a "lap counter" record the number of lengths?

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Bobinator — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 09:11:04 GMT

If lap didn't mean 2 lengths why do we say we "lapped" another person when we are 2 above their total?

RE: What's wrong (or misleading) with this quote?

Swimosaur — Mon, 22 Feb 2016 10:44:10 GMT

Possibly wrong part in bold, "On the third lap of my 100, I breathed twice in a row and I shouldn't have done that." Caleb Dressel's recent American record 100 SCY free -- looks like he breathes every stroke. LB78qDZ8AMQ As a mammal, I'm extremely fond of air.

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gobears — Mon, 22 Feb 2016 10:37:28 GMT

This argument comes up every so often. Many of us who grew up swimming competitively used "lap" to mean one length. Until I swam masters I never heard anyone who swam competitively use the word "lap" for a 50. I've since decided both terms make sense, really, so I try to say "25" or length instead of "lap" just to avoid confusion.

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ForceDJ — Mon, 22 Feb 2016 09:24:01 GMT

Just saying that had he not added "...of my 100..." it could be confused as a 200 yard (or more) event. Dan

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Bobinator — Mon, 22 Feb 2016 08:57:00 GMT

I'd say "I took 2 breaths in a row." It might also be misleading to call a length a lap. I've always been under the impression that down and back was a lap. Seriously, this is pretty picky since the quote communicated to me was the kid was trying to say. I try to give kids in competitive situations a break. (especially fast ones in O2 debt)

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knelson — Mon, 22 Feb 2016 04:02:50 GMT

I feel like the problem is most easily solved by just not using the term "lap" since no one seems to agree whether it means one length or two in the context of swimming.

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gobears — Mon, 22 Feb 2016 03:45:56 GMT

Yeah, I understand the difference but I never heard anyone differentiate lap/length until I was a master's swimmer. As a kid, lap=length. To me it's just a swimmerism. Like, "I need to work on my *** pullouts." :eek: Or, "I didn't recognize you in clothes." :blush: It doesn't help when you look up the definition, that different dictionaries give different meanings for lap. Miriam-Webster defines this meaning of lap as: "a : the act or an instance of traversing a course (as a racing track or swimming pool); also : the distance covered b : one segment of a larger unit (as a journey) c : one complete turn (as of a rope around a drum)" So, if the pool is 25 Short COURSE yards, going for the complete 25 yards IS completing the course. If you started as an 8&U, that's the whole deal, so it makes sense to me that coaches of age groupers and swimmers who started as kids adopted this usage of terminology. As a 6 or 7 year old if you get to the other end of the pool and you have to go BACK, that's a big deal because you have to do the same thing you just did (complete the course). To be lapped is a different definition entirely, with a whole other section, and doesn't change the definition of lap as a noun. But :dedhorse::dedhorse::dedhorse: lol - "lap" counters count by lengths. Just sayin' ;-)

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m2tall2 — Mon, 22 Feb 2016 03:10:23 GMT

I'd say "I took 2 breaths in a row." I try to give kids in competitive situations a break. (especially fast ones in O2 debt) Truth. I never expect anyone to have the right words for things coming out of a race.

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m2tall2 — Mon, 22 Feb 2016 03:07:40 GMT

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Sumorunner — Mon, 22 Feb 2016 01:55:19 GMT

I always used to count down and back as one lap, but then I got a swim watch which counts lengths. This morning's log shows 80 laps = 2000 yds. I'm just glad I don't have to keep count in my head any more. I'd lose count by 12 or 13. So now I only report yards swum.