Doping

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ande — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 11:50:56 GMT

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ande — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 11:44:48 GMT

Her performance is suspect, but before you jump to conclusions, it's important to know more about her athletic and training history. Going from 2,500 a day to 7k would be a shock to my system.

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jpetyk — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 10:03:35 GMT

I find it incredible that masters athletes would dope. I mean, I'm kind of curious to know what it might feel like, but to win? Jeesh. I had to take an oral steroid for bronchitis a couple of year back. :roids: Felt like superwoman in the pool. :weightlifter: I can definitely see how people can get lured into it. Especially if there is money on the line. Triathlons can come with cash prizes.

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Former Member — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 08:34:06 GMT

I find it incredible that masters athletes would dope. I mean, I'm kind of curious to know what it might feel like, but to win? Jeesh.

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__steve__ — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:57:49 GMT

Only if the drag suit had a diving brick inside it... That can also be a response in the "swim brief/genitals" thread

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Sportygeek — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:56:57 GMT

I believe the world record for women (40-44) 1500 is 17:49.26 which is 1:11.26 per 100 meters - ??:) It was until recently. Kirsten Cameron's new improved W40-44 1500m records - 17:31.51 (LCM) and 17:01.66 (SCM)

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Former Member — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:28:58 GMT

if we are talking meters - that is absolutely crazy. i do a 54 for a shave/taper 100 LCM and going under 1:10 in LCM is enough effort that i couldn't do more than 2 on 1:20 unless i tapered for that set. if we are talking short course - its more possible but still a long shot. you will never be able to tell unless you flat out ask them. my bet is, that if nothing major was added (or subtracted) from the equation then they are on something- but you never know. but if they are it might be for medical reasons.

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Celestial — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 05:50:46 GMT

OK, I'm sorta convinced. But we're going to drop it now, because this person is my friend, and I've got to figure out how to get her to come clean. thanks for all your comments, everyone.:)

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Former Member — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 05:31:10 GMT

I find it incredible that masters athletes would dope. I mean, I'm kind of curious to know what it might feel like, but to win? Jeesh. As we say in parts of the UK "there's nowt queerer than folk". Theres always someone curious enough, brave (stupid) enough to give it a go. I've seen several candidates with Ben Johnson bloodshot eyes, start and finish races, putting in amazing masters performances in the pool that were never drug tested! hopefully testing will become more commonplace T

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Jimbosback — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 01:17:36 GMT

That can also be a response in the "swim brief/genitals" thread Reading Rich's article, I think we may have found a solution to the giant testicle problem in that thread. :-)

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Former Member — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 16:21:12 GMT

Unfortunately, there is no certain way to know whether someone is doping or not... Increase of endurance may also happen if s/he has changed her/his eating and sleeping habits, less stress at work/home, more efficient training. Just a couple of months ago I could barely finish 1 lap in SCM, being totally winded, but after changing my eating habits, with some more fitness and less smoking (1 pack per 2 days, instead of a pack a day. I am on my way to quit smoking) I can now swim without any problem almost 1,5 miles per training session. However, when I've made my research for food supplements before totally denying them, I went through tons of materials, and I've read in some articles and blogs that one way to identify whether an athlete is doping or not (can't assure you 100% that it is viable) is to monitor his behavior... As most of banned substances affect athlete's behavior, attitude and temper. They become more anxious, more aggressive and easily irritated. Those who are improving without application of banned substances enjoy their achievement more like kids. Therefore if you knew that person before and if you can determine whether such behavioral changes occurred, perhaps this could help you to make some preliminary formal conclusions. However, again there is no guarantee till you obtain solid proof on whether s/he doped or not.

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secondheart — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 12:54:52 GMT

Age 41. was keeping 100 free ~ 1:18 on 1:30's, w/pull equip, could only do 3-4 w/out a rest now holding well under 1:10 on 1:20's & able to maintain for 4-6000 LCM, no toys Holding 1:10 or better for 100 meters for 4-6000 @1:20 interval is a phenomenal feat for someone @41. If there is some monetary benefit for taking PEDs then the possibility is much higher (it's tragic).

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Former Member — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 12:46:46 GMT

...Not saying another word. Times have sure changed though.

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StewartACarroll — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 12:35:19 GMT

The recent improvements you've pointed out are definitely suspicious. The following link is a fascinating article from Outside magazine from several years ago where a reporter tries a wide range of PED's. www.outsideonline.com/.../Drug-Test.html A really good article. It's easy to understand the temptation of renewed youth but the side effects are scary as heck. Getting old is not bad if you accept its a natural process and there are natural ways to have a high quality of life without chemical adjustments and risks! The East German experiment is a great case of trying to play God and the athletes having to deal with the side affects.

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Former Member — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 11:54:19 GMT

Could they have worn a different suit? Like a dragsuit before vs a wetsuit after. Does this person strictly compete in tri events? Any knowledge on they're former swimming experience? Only a former swimmer could pull off a workout performance like that. Good answer. Not many 40 somethings can run and bike and then swim like Janet Evans/Grant Hackett. She did say it was a s/he however. The drag suit theory sounds like a possibility.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 11:48:37 GMT

Age 41. was keeping 100 free ~ 1:18 on 1:30's, w/pull equip, could only do 3-4 w/out a rest now holding well under 1:10 on 1:20's & able to maintain for 4-6000 LCM, no toysCould be doping, but I'd be more interested to know how fast this person was 10, 15 or 20 years ago and if their primary sport growing up was swimming. There are certainly guys I know in their 40s, former distance swimming guys from their youth who could get in shape now to do the 1:10s on 1:20 you refer to ... and, depending upon where this person's "swimming fitness" was when they were doing the 1:18s, they might be able to ramp up quickly back into "swimming shape" to be able to do the 1:10s, especially if they had a great aerobic base from their biking/running. If they are doping, too bad for them.

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knelson — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 11:15:55 GMT

The drag suit theory sounds like a possibility. Only if the drag suit had a diving brick inside it...

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Rich Abrahams — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:01:06 GMT

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secondheart — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 08:44:02 GMT

Age 41. was keeping 100 free ~ 1:18 on 1:30's, w/pull equip, could only do 3-4 w/out a rest now holding well under 1:10 on 1:20's & able to maintain for 4-6000 LCM, no toys I believe the world record for women (40-44) 1500 is 17:49.26 which is 1:11.26 per 100 meters - ??:)

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gobears — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 08:26:46 GMT

it was a s/he however. The drag suit theory sounds like a possibility. lol - too subtle for me, I guess... :)

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Elaine Krugman — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 08:15:53 GMT

Reread Celestial's last post. Sure seems like she slipped and used "she" and "her" before going back to the either/or scenario. If this is a guy, maybe the drag suit theory would work. A 41 year old woman? I don't buy it... I think Quicksilver was making a joke. ;) (At least I hope so after laughing so hard at it!)

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Elaine Krugman — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 08:13:49 GMT

She did say it was a s/he however. Thedragsuit theory sounds like a possibility. :lmao:

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gobears — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 08:08:26 GMT

She did say it was a s/he however. The drag suit theory sounds like a possibility. Reread Celestial's last post. Sure seems like she slipped and used "she" and "her" before going back to the either/or scenario. If this is a guy, maybe the drag suit theory would work. A 41 year old woman? I don't buy it...

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gobears — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 06:57:55 GMT

Well, we now know SHE is a 41 year old swimmer. :D This is getting more and more interesting. I was assuming (by the times) that this had to be a guy. Really, a 41 year old woman who only swam Sr. Champs as an age grouper is now (suddenly) holding a consistent 1:10 pace on a 1:20 interval for 4000 long course meters? Seems way too good to be true...

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Elaine Krugman — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 06:24:14 GMT

Jokingly asked her if she had any 'roids I could use this am, lol. She offered me some Aleeve. S/he WAS a swimmer back in the day, but has been swimming consistently 3-4 x week for the past several years I've known him/her. S/he says the fastest s/he ever got was Sr Champs. Doesn't matter, I guess, just makes me want to go faster, faster! Well, we now know SHE is a 41 year old swimmer. :D