Can someone start at 31 with the intent to compete?

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__steve__ — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 08:42:54 GMT

Thanks! I'm still giggling and humming to myself over it! One coaches advice was to only practice the stroke with fins for the first month or two. I have a feeling it will be quite sobering when I take them off... Congratulations on taking up swimming and joining usms. Coached feedback is definitely the most effective course of action: proper form = healthy shoulders There's also nothing wrong with flying with fins on, heck, the only time I don't wear them is at swim meets.

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Me1ani — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 08:01:38 GMT

Congrats to you, Me1ani, on your accomplishments from your hard work! And this is really sound advice too! Thanks! I'm still giggling and humming to myself over it! One coaches advice was to only practice the stroke with fins for the first month or two. I have a feeling it will be quite sobering when I take them off...

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Me1ani — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 10:23:50 GMT

I'm 54 and just joined usms. I had three lessons two years ago, stopped, then took up swimming about a year and a half ago and only more seriously since September of 2015. I have relentlessly practiced and watched videos since September, taken more lessons and observed. As of last week I can now do a great butterfly, the last skill on my bucket list--Needless to say I'm very proud of myself. What I may lack in natural athleticism I more than make up for in drive. You know how you learn best. Make sure that you do some core/strength training, practice, take a lesson or two if you're not sure and have someone video you to keep track of your progress, etc. Competition can be both perspective enlightening and distorting. Set some practical and achievable goals and evaluate as you go along. Whatever you choose to do, recreationally or competitively, you're in the pool and that in itself is a good start.

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mmlr38 — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 01:28:27 GMT

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RobH — Wed, 02 Sep 2015 11:49:18 GMT

And there are so many technique points to focus on from breathing and turns to catch and body position. And if you're interested in IM events, you can multiply those technique points by four! Having good body awareness and control will be key to success. Flip turns used to be exceptionally challenging every time I did them. Finally, after doing them for 1.5 hours a day, 6 days a week, for 3.5 years or so, they've become much more natural. So it is possible to "teach an old dog new tricks" so to speak. I'm still not as good at turns as most people of my ability level, and probably never will be, but I just keep focusing in improving. It's a lot of fun to continually improve! A lot of the other responses to this thread that encourage competing against yourself are very true. While I do use the TT times for motivation, more than anything I really love seeing my times improve as compared to what I swam previously. fatboy's post at #14 in this thread really resonates with me. I think that's sound advice! Matt's experiences are somewhat similar to my own. It took me a long time to get comfortable doing flip turns (years in fact). It is a tough skill to learn when older, it seems. Fatboy's post is very insightful, indeed. I also agree that the skill development required for IM is substantial. There are just so many nuances to learn and improve upon to swim a quality IM. 4 different strokes. Starts. Turns (3 or 4 types in an IM). SDKs (front and back). I think that I was most proud of my 100IM time at Nationals precisely for this reason. And while I am proud of what I was able to accomplish, I am also excited about how many different ways there are to improve. There is a lot of potential time to be gained. Like Matt said, it is a lot of fun to continually improve. I think that is one of the best motivators.

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RobH — Wed, 02 Sep 2015 11:34:29 GMT

Thanks, Fly Trap! :D It (my recovery) was great while it lasted; however, I had a setback 10 days ago. It wasn't even on a breaststroke kick, either. On a dolphin kick off the wall before the backstroke leg of an easy-paced 100 IM, I felt a pain in my hip and had to stop. :badday: Since then, I have been doing sculling and pulling exclusively while I wait to see if this is going to heal. If I tore the labrum again, it won't; however, my surgeon said he thinks I only "aggravated the scar tissue". He has ordered 3 weeks rest and Meloxicam (NSAID). I sure hope that does the trick! Meanwhile, it has shaken my confidence in my hip. It was going great, and I was able to build back up to race-pace intensity; however, my future in competition is back on hold. :censor: Elaine, get that hip going well soon!!!!

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RobH — Wed, 02 Sep 2015 11:32:02 GMT

You are doing well RobH. Just keep at it. I plan on keeping it going. Thank you for the kind words, as well as those from Julia and Elaine. :)

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Elaine Krugman — Wed, 02 Sep 2015 05:54:12 GMT

Elaine, get that hip going well soon!!!! Thanks, Rob, I'm trying! :agree:

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Elaine Krugman — Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:11:09 GMT

Sorry to hear this, Elaine. Hope it's nothing serious! Keep us posted. All the best :) Thanks, Swimspire! Hate to hear that Elaine. Hope you are better soon and can make it to Auburn next Feb. If not, our team is looking at going to SCY nationals next spring. Maybe we will see you at both! Thanks, Peter! I sure hope to make it to BOTH meets! :agree: OH NO! What a bummer! Well, let's hope that the surgeon is correct (which he probably is) and it was just a mild aggravation of scar tissue and you'll be back on track soon. Yeah, that's what I said, too, except it was more like :censor:. Thanks, Fly Trap! In the meantime, I dusted off my pull buoy (again...) and my forearms are going to look like Popeye's the rate I'm going with sculling!

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mmlr38 — Mon, 31 Aug 2015 07:45:20 GMT

I had a setback 10 days ago. OH NO! What a bummer! Well, let's hope that the surgeon is correct (which he probably is) and it was just a mild aggravation of scar tissue and you'll be back on track soon.

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pmccoy — Mon, 31 Aug 2015 03:36:34 GMT

I had a setback 10 days ago.Hate to hear that Elaine. Hope you are better soon and can make it to Auburn next Feb. If not, our team is looking at going to SCY nationals next spring. Maybe we will see you at both! As to the OP, lots of great advice on this and not much I can add. It can be done. Granted, I didn't learn to swim at age 40 but I did begin to learn to swim fast. The top 10 isn't the exclusive domain of individuals with college swimming experience. However, it isn't easy and requires a lot of work and dedication. I've had to find time for it but I enjoy it immensely. It really helps that I've got some great teammates that keep me motivated and push my abilities. They are awesome swimmers to model and great people to be around outside the pool. There's lots of USMS teams out there like that. Find one and enjoy the experience.

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Swimspire — Mon, 31 Aug 2015 03:36:00 GMT

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Elaine Krugman — Mon, 31 Aug 2015 02:58:32 GMT

Thanks Elaine! Watching you recover from your injury so quickly and be so positive throughout the journey has also been inspirational. I'm excited to see you swim in Greensboro next spring. Thanks, Fly Trap! :D It (my recovery) was great while it lasted; however, I had a setback 10 days ago. It wasn't even on a breaststroke kick, either. On a dolphin kick off the wall before the backstroke leg of an easy-paced 100 IM, I felt a pain in my hip and had to stop. :badday: Since then, I have been doing sculling and pulling exclusively while I wait to see if this is going to heal. If I tore the labrum again, it won't; however, my surgeon said he thinks I only "aggravated the scar tissue". He has ordered 3 weeks rest and Meloxicam (NSAID). I sure hope that does the trick! Meanwhile, it has shaken my confidence in my hip. It was going great, and I was able to build back up to race-pace intensity; however, my future in competition is back on hold. :censor:

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mmlr38 — Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:12:40 GMT

Thanks Elaine! Watching you recover from your injury so quickly and be so positive throughout the journey has also been inspirational. I'm excited to see you swim in Greensboro next spring.

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Former Member — Sat, 29 Aug 2015 10:26:07 GMT

You are doing well RobH. Just keep at it.

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Elaine Krugman — Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:44:26 GMT

:applaud: :cheerleader:to you, Fly Trap- and, Rob H, too! It was awesome watching you guys swim at Spring Nationals (well, on the live feed on my computer, that is) and seeing what you two have accomplished. You guys are an inspiration!

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mmlr38 — Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:24:01 GMT

I am surprised mmlr38 has not responded to this thread since he would seem to be a good example.As I understand it he did not have a competitive swimming background,joined Masters in his 30s, and has several TT pool times to his credit. I've been watching this thread and haven't responded yet. The fact that the OP hasn't posted back made me wonder if the thread was abandoned. But thanks for thinking of me, Allen :) My story: I was a life-long runner but a serious knee injury forced me to hang up the running shoes at the age of 34. I had dabbled in triathlons in my 20s, culminating with an IronMan distance event before the knee pain got too bad, so I knew how to swim and was comfortable in the open water. But I had no formal swim training of any kind. I remember my sister and I taking the standard summer swim lessons class when we were kids, so I knew how to swim, but I didn't know how to do any strokes, turns, etc. or really know anything about competitive swimming. In 2011, at the age of 34, I did my first swim-only event; a local USMS sanctioned 5K open water swim. At the time I wasn't swimming with a masters team and was only swimming 2 days a week (about 2500 yards a session) in an aqua-fitness class at the YMCA. I had no idea what to expect, but it turned out I won the event! At that point a friend convinced me to join the masters team. I hadn't started swimming with them previously because I was afraid I'd be too slow and not doing flip turns nor really knowing any of the strokes was a deterrent. I trained with the masters team starting in August 2011 and at my first-ever swim meet in December 2011, I earned my first Top Ten (TT) time in the 1500 SCM freestyle, despite the fact I didn't do flip turns :) Since then, as Allen mentioned, I've gone on to earn several (14) TT times, even earning my first non-freestyle TT last year in the 400 IM. I expect to add a few more TT times this LCM season. So, YES! It is absolutely possible to start swimming at the age of 31 with the intent to compete AND to be successful in doing so. If anything, I am a good example of that. But one thing I've learned is that you have to work hard -- very hard! I'm sure everyone does who is successful at the national level. But unlike people who had coaching and competitive swim training when they were younger, especially through college, very little will come naturally for someone who didn't practice turns or technique repeatedly for years and years. It's a constant mental battle to fight yourself to keep technique good. Every practice it's important to focus on technique instead of worrying too much about keeping up or swimming as fast as possible. And there are so many technique points to focus on from breathing and turns to catch and body position. And if you're interested in IM events, you can multiply those technique points by four! Having good body awareness and control will be key to success. Flip turns used to be exceptionally challenging every time I did them. Finally, after doing them for 1.5 hours a day, 6 days a week, for 3.5 years or so, they've become much more natural. So it is possible to "teach an old dog new tricks" so to speak. I'm still not as good at turns as most people of my ability level, and probably never will be, but I just keep focusing in improving. It's a lot of fun to continually improve! A lot of the other responses to this thread that encourage competing against yourself are very true. While I do use the TT times for motivation, more than anything I really love seeing my times improve as compared to what I swam previously. fatboy's post at #14 in this thread really resonates with me. I think that's sound advice!

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Former Member — Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:35:07 GMT

I hear a lot of Masters swimmers say, "I'll never be that fast." My answer is always, "Why not?" Geek, always the wise one with straight and to the point answers. I've never looked to the Top 10 and National/World Record holders as benchmarks for my swimming. I do enjoy seeing what adults are capable of doing in the pool when they get beyond their 20's and 30's, but my own benchmarks and goals are really just about improving upon what I've already done. Or, depending upon the level of work I've put into my training, just attempting not to slow down too much!

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Former Member — Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:15:19 GMT

Hope this doesn't get started again! What next? VO2 max shampoo? I think the forum could use some lively discussion resulting in a temporary ban of posting privileges!

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Swimspire — Thu, 27 Aug 2015 07:33:27 GMT

Not to brag, but I am in this exact situation. I came to swimming in my mid 30s and have improved to a level that I competed at Nationals for the first time this year at age 46. What are my motivations? It comes in levels. Or steps. My first big target was to qualify for Nationals. That wasn't an original goal when I first got into swimming (I wanted to do triathlons) but it became a target as I improved and got closer to the NQTs. Now that I've accomplished that one, I looked at a level of reaching the midpoint of Nationals competitors in my AG. I did that in one event this first time out. The other events, I still have that goal. For the event that I did beat the average National competitor, I look at how far from top 10 I am. Definitely some work to do. But it gives me some focus to try to figure it out. I know its possible for someone my age to go that fast. How can I get there? If I can reach that, then I'll focus on moving up within the top 10. It is difficult to look at the top times in my AG and see the differences from where I am. I don't know if I'll ever reach that level. But I think the process of taking small steps is the right one. Having somewhat reasonable and attainable intermediate goals. Continue to figure out how to improve. Step by step. Bit by bit. I'm going to see where it goes. But the other really relevant motivating factor is that I am competing against myself. I am regularly setting new PRs. That is a huge motivating force that the vast majority of AG swimmers who swam competitively when young don't experience. They are trying not to lose what they once had in most cases. It is a different mindset to reasonably expect PRs. It is really fun to go out and lay one down. To see that your work is paying off. That I think is the bigger motivator, this internal one. Congrats on your accomplishments - and what a great strategy for success! This is good advice for any athlete, at any age.

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RobH — Thu, 27 Aug 2015 06:32:23 GMT

Yes, this can be a problem for those swimmers who come into masters swimming at a late age without having been a swimmer when younger. To start in masters at around the age of 30 or 40 without a previous competitive background is probably desirable for health, sanity and to have an aim in life, but in reality the late starter is unlikely to pick up medals nationally. Not to brag, but I am in this exact situation. I came to swimming in my mid 30s and have improved to a level that I competed at Nationals for the first time this year at age 46. What are my motivations? It comes in levels. Or steps. My first big target was to qualify for Nationals. That wasn't an original goal when I first got into swimming (I wanted to do triathlons) but it became a target as I improved and got closer to the NQTs. Now that I've accomplished that one, I looked at a level of reaching the midpoint of Nationals competitors in my AG. I did that in one event this first time out. The other events, I still have that goal. For the event that I did beat the average National competitor, I look at how far from top 10 I am. Definitely some work to do. But it gives me some focus to try to figure it out. I know its possible for someone my age to go that fast. How can I get there? If I can reach that, then I'll focus on moving up within the top 10. It is difficult to look at the top times in my AG and see the differences from where I am. I don't know if I'll ever reach that level. But I think the process of taking small steps is the right one. Having somewhat reasonable and attainable intermediate goals. Continue to figure out how to improve. Step by step. Bit by bit. I'm going to see where it goes. But the other really relevant motivating factor is that I am competing against myself. I am regularly setting new PRs. That is a huge motivating force that the vast majority of AG swimmers who swam competitively when young don't experience. They are trying not to lose what they once had in most cases. It is a different mindset to reasonably expect PRs. It is really fun to go out and lay one down. To see that your work is paying off. That I think is the bigger motivator, this internal one.

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Muppet — Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:09:48 GMT

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Allen Stark — Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:18:07 GMT

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aquageek — Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:55:24 GMT

I've been watching this discussion and waiting for comic sans forum destroyer to slow down, but, alas, that hasn't happened yet. Anyhow, I believe it is very possible to begin that later in life and be competitive, but with an asterisk. I have met many fantastic swimmers in USMS who are late bloomers (BAM! - blast from the past) such as scyfreestyler. I've also managed to be lightly competitive with only a summer league background. I swam my first USMS meet in my early 30s. However, if you look at the very top of most age groups you do see people with very legit swimming backgrounds - pwb, Chris S, the annoying Smith and good Smith (if they'd ever swim again), Rowdy, Switzer, knelson, Braun, Fortress, Andersen, KPN, etc. Rather than use them as my competition basis, I walk around muttering their names as inspirations for improving, and then hoping they get the stomach bug before nationals.

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Aug 2015 07:15:35 GMT

However, if you look at the very top of most age groups you do see people with very legit swimming backgrounds - pwb, Chris S, the annoying Smith and good Smith (if they'd ever swim again), Rowdy, Switzer, knelson, Braun, Fortress, Andersen, KPN, etc. Rather than use them as my competition basis, I walk around muttering their names as inspirations for improving, and then hoping they get the stomach bug before nationals. Yes, this can be a problem for those swimmers who come into masters swimming at a late age without having been a swimmer when younger. To start in masters at around the age of 30 or 40 without a previous competitive background is probably desirable for health, sanity and to have an aim in life, but in reality the late starter is unlikely to pick up medals nationally. The answer, of course, is to outlive your competitors and compete when over the age of 95.