https://community.usms.org/swimming/f/general/11717/april-fools-joke-fina-approves-25-m-events-usms-approves-25m-25-scy-eventsFor those of your who do not spend a lot of time reading the USMS and FINA websites, FINA voted to add 25 meter events to the list of events where FINA will track and approve world records. The US Masters Swimming Board of Directors received notificationen-USTelligent Community 12https://community.usms.org/thread/190850?ContentTypeID=1Fri, 01 Apr 2016 11:30:21 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:95295542-7022-4aac-917a-cbd92c6938d7__steve__It&#39;s April 1st and tomorrow I will be racing 25&#39;s:agree:<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190783?ContentTypeID=1Fri, 10 Oct 2014 05:18:32 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:55d8c92c-ad2d-472e-bcf0-83ff3f04cb39SportygeekTheoretically, there&#39;s a long distance Masters meet every year in my state, but sometimes cancelled due to low numbers. Just officially cancelled for the second year in a row: <a href="http://www.mastersswimmingvic.org.au/Events/artmid/7480/articleid/11461/Long-Distance-Long-Course-CANCELLED">www.mastersswimmingvic.org.au/.../Long-Distance-Long-Course-CANCELLED</a><div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190789?ContentTypeID=1Fri, 10 Oct 2014 05:01:48 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:33710e67-81ab-454e-a139-2082b39d1e61Former MemberThe Rowdy Gaines meet begins today. They have 25s of all four strokes. Psych sheets and other info can be found here: <a href="http://www.swimphone.com/mobile/meets/meet_menu.cfm?smid=5570">www.swimphone.com/.../meet_menu.cfm</a><div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190779?ContentTypeID=1Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:27:40 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:856e8dba-e5bc-4d44-b654-5807dda4722fSportygeekThose Australian 400/800/1500 form stroke and 800IM records come from stand alone long distance SC or long distance LC meets (or postal swims, if MSA counts them for records). Theoretically, there&#39;s a long distance Masters meet every year in my state, but sometimes cancelled due to low numbers. You can enter *one* 400m event (any stroke or IM), *one* 800m event (any stroke or IM) and any *one* 1500m event. Here&#39;s the entry for our upcoming LDLC meet: <a href="https://sitedesq.imgstg.com/swimregform/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_meet_summary&amp;MeetID=16914&amp;OrgID=3398">sitedesq.imgstg.com/.../index.cfm</a> No 400m events (not even 400 free) at our state Masters championships. 400/800 free and 400IM at Aus Masters Nationals.<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190734?ContentTypeID=1Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:16:35 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:74f12595-4d65-404a-a834-b23e1c524011Former Member...the national database has been updated to include the tracking of 25s if they are submitted in the results. Here&#39;s how to find the Event Rankings for 25-yard or meter events: 1) go to usms.org 2) mouse over the red &quot;Events &amp; Results&quot; tab 3) click on &quot;Look up event rankings&quot; 4) scroll down to SCM 5) search on 2013, Men, 25 Free, ages 18-99, display top 200<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190728?ContentTypeID=1Wed, 24 Sep 2014 03:39:21 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:cd5d09ce-3f31-4c8f-9577-1d418476519dSwimosaurI loved how Jim Matsyek got up there and said he&#39;d have that capability before the end of the meeting and 30 minutes later, there it was! Jim Matysek rocks. I would like to see more meets take the approach of having the non-standard events in their lineup. (Once again,) Australian Masters Swimming competes, and keeps NRs and TTs for, SCM 25-50-100-200-400-800 of all strokes, 100-200-400-800 IM, and 1500 back, ***, and free. It would be cool if some enterprising meet director did something like, Event 1. Mixed 500 fly Event 2. Mixed 500 back Event 3. Mixed 500 *** Event 4. Mixed 500 free Events 1-4 will be seeded together, slow to fast, by entry time, regardless of stroke. Swimmers must complete the entire event according to the rules governing the entered stroke. Entry times must be estimated; NT (no time) entries will not be accepted. A swimmer may enter at most one of the events 1-4. Would that even be possible?<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190714?ContentTypeID=1Wed, 24 Sep 2014 02:56:02 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:1673fdd2-2bf4-44ec-84e3-9c15ff07c62eMuppetthe national database has been updated to include the tracking of 25s if they are submitted in the results. I loved how Jim Matsyek got up there and said he&#39;d have that capability before the end of the meeting and 30 minutes later, there it was! I would like to see more meets take the approach of having the non-standard events in their lineup. If the supply can meet up with the so-called &quot;high demand,&quot; then lets revisit in 2016 with more data. I think if the language in the amendment had been changed earlier in convention (and not at HOD#6), more people would have approved the amendment and approved the rule. Clearly the amended language had more support than the original proposal, and thus, if re-submitted with the amended language, I see 25s passing much more easily next time around.<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190708?ContentTypeID=1Mon, 22 Sep 2014 06:07:03 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:05af051e-ca6e-4954-89c1-9cf429c884e0ALLISONWAREMuch discussion, including an amendment to include them as &quot;legitimate&quot; events but not include in Top 10, records, etc. Amendment failed by 2 votes of the 2/3 majority. Rules committee wasn&#39;t recommending, HoD vote didn&#39;t overturn the committee, issue is dead (for now). It was emphatically noted that the ability to include &quot;non-standard&quot; events is, was &amp; will be at the discretion of the meet director &amp; the national database has been updated to include the tracking of 25s if they are submitted in the results.<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190696?ContentTypeID=1Mon, 22 Sep 2014 05:15:57 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:3f27984f-f7ac-43b4-8523-cd46891029a1SwimosaurR15 in this year&#39;s rule proposals to be considered in less than three weeks: <a href="http://www.usms.org/admin/conv/2014/rulesproposals.pdf">www.usms.org/.../rulesproposals.pdf</a> What happened? Any fistfights?<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190683?ContentTypeID=1Tue, 09 Sep 2014 05:52:03 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:667175e2-38ec-4bf5-8c49-051b40e8f098andePlease Raise it Approve it Race it include SCM too :bump: R15 in this year&#39;s rule proposals to be considered in less than three weeks: <a href="http://www.usms.org/admin/conv/2014/rulesproposals.pdf">www.usms.org/.../rulesproposals.pdf</a> Thoughts, opinions, comments? (The proposal is yards only though, not quite a match for the thread title.) Might as well read the other rule proposals while you&#39;re at it and let your LMSC delegates know if you feel strongly about any of them!<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190680?ContentTypeID=1Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:48:31 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:507b50f0-16fb-47dc-a62c-9a4f788ae2c3sunruhwell in a way we already do what we want in yards. we allow 18-24 to be recorded for top 10. heck, we even let them get on the blocks and race which is a no no in fina. as you will recall my good friend, the ages in montreal started at 25. we also have nice gutter wall turns in those yard pools were your fingers can nicely grip without a flat touchpad to slip on. the &quot;feel&quot; is to be like fina in yards (age and pools being the exception) as closely as we can so that there is no big shocker when lcm/scm seasons start. i need to re-introduce you to Blue Bell for &#39;15! ummmmm, i think i need a lobotomy now. lol<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190663?ContentTypeID=1Wed, 03 Sep 2014 09:31:03 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:659caae3-8b29-4091-96ec-48876ab4df2dsunruhSo does this imply that if body suits were put on the ballet and 2/3rds voted to bring them back for yards, the rules would be changed. Now whether the vendors would manufacturer them again is a whole different story I guess. Mr. McRibs you certainly offer up an interesting conversation piece with that question. in 2010 usms pretty much did exactly that for scy. but all meters events were non-supersuits (my gorilla suit i step out of certain would welcome them back with joyful open arms). in a rules year (evens yes, odds no) you could have your lmsc submit that (before the deadline as shown in the rules book) and have it brought before the rules committee for a vote and even if shot down in committee it could still be brought before the HoD (house of delegates) for the 2/3rds vote. i think i have that all correct. certainly a possibility since it has been done before, but on the whole, usms tends to stick with the fina rules. the reason we have scy is because we have more pools of that type than all others total. so much for that sae to metric conversion i heard so much about in the 70s. lol. besides, where would you find a tech suit for that boney 6&#39;5 frame of yours and can we point and laugh as you get into one without a zipper? (btw, no zipper is another fina rule that just the women currently have to deal with).<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190671?ContentTypeID=1Wed, 03 Sep 2014 08:11:18 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:93cf5a15-4461-4d3e-b2fc-7a70ee6fd0b3StewartACarrolln 2010 usms pretty much did exactly that for scy. but all meters events were non-supersuits (my gorilla suit i step out of certain would welcome them back with joyful open arms). in a rules year (evens yes, odds no) you could have your lmsc submit that (before the deadline as shown in the rules book) and have it brought before the rules committee for a vote and even if shot down in committee it could still be brought before the HoD (house of delegates) for the 2/3rds vote. Thanks for the clarification Steve. I am guessing it would not go anywhere but I will email our LMSC and see what they say. Certainly a possibility since it has been done before, but on the whole, usms tends to stick with the fina rules. the reason we have scy is because we have more pools of that type than all others total. so much for that sae to metric conversion i heard so much about in the 70s. I understand and the FINA alignment in meters so that we can compete at FINA events such as worlds but yards makes no sense at all. We are the only country that swims SCY so use what ever floats our boat I say...but what do I know. Mr. McRibs you certainly offer up an interesting conversation piece with that question. .... besides, where would you find a tech suit for that boney 6&#39;5 frame of yours and can we point and laugh as you get into one without a zipper? (btw, no zipper is another fina rule that just the women currently have to deal with). I am feeling a little jealousy in your name calling Mr Unruh. You have been close enough to me to know those ribs are really muscles and it takes enormous effort to maintain my finely tuned six pack. As an aside I found a picture I must share with you sometime from before I lost the weight and got back in the pool. It&#39;s pretty funny, I have at least 5 chins. If they made the crutch in a women&#39;s suit a little more accommodating I am sure I can find a women&#39;s suit that would do the trick. My daughter wears a 21 and I am only a few sizes bigger. Would it be odd to go test hers out?<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190596?ContentTypeID=1Tue, 02 Sep 2014 12:17:40 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:6ecc5d9e-289c-4103-863a-dbff1725771bknelson1. Why yards only? If adding 25 events, why not SCM as well? I&#39;m guessing it&#39;s got something to do with FINA.<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190583?ContentTypeID=1Tue, 02 Sep 2014 10:31:51 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:59fe17b9-22d8-4dc0-88d3-779a27a40c35SwimosaurThoughts, opinions, comments? (The proposal is yards only though ... 1. Why yards only? If adding 25 events, why not SCM as well? I go to an SCM meet every year that features 25s. I never swim them, but the people who do seem to be having fun. I guess it takes all kinds. 2. Speaking of all kinds, symmetry demands -- demands, I tell you -- that that the addition of ridiculously short, patently and obviously unswimmable 25s be balanced by the addition of at least 500 fly, back, and ***, and 800 IM. The Australians are cleaning our clocks in this regard, not only offering 25s, but also 400 stroke &amp; more. (And as long as we&#39;re adding work for Jim, we might as well add twice as much. You&#39;re welcome.)<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190655?ContentTypeID=1Tue, 02 Sep 2014 08:55:50 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:d92e0b04-5c65-48c5-a1f9-a6afc9bc5d77StewartACarrollchris, let&#39;s just say...you could not have written that any better and NOT been on our conf calls! :D:D:D true on fina for yards and tech suits yards, and sure they can swim meters, just not for a fina rankings. So does this imply that if body suits were put on the ballet and 2/3rds voted to bring them back for yards, the rules would be changed. Now whether the vendors would manufacturer them again is a whole different story I guess.<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190645?ContentTypeID=1Tue, 02 Sep 2014 04:01:22 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:76d6effe-cfce-4fd6-a0c2-ef106d422e25Elaine Krugman2. Speaking of all kinds, symmetry demands -- demands, I tell you -- that that the addition of ridiculously short, patently and obviously unswimmable 25s be balanced by the addition of at least 500 fly, back, and ***, and 800 IM. The Australians are cleaning our clocks in this regard, not only offering 25s, but also 400 stroke &amp; more. (And as long as we&#39;re adding work for Jim, we might as well add twice as much. You&#39;re welcome.) :banana::banana::banana:<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190635?ContentTypeID=1Tue, 02 Sep 2014 03:28:48 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:8fdb5437-b52c-4284-a30e-bef0b644fc98sunruhchris, let&#39;s just say...you could not have written that any better and NOT been on our conf calls! :D:D:D true on fina for yards and tech suits yards, and sure they can swim meters, just not for a fina rankings.<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190626?ContentTypeID=1Tue, 02 Sep 2014 02:44:18 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:073c9be2-15d0-48c1-8586-2b0532e9c9f0Chris Stevensonand if the rules committee does not include it in package, does it not take something like a 2/3rds vote by the HoD to pass it? True. You would obviously know more than I, but my guess would be that the Rules Committee does not recommend this rule. But that doesn&#39;t doom it outright since, as you say, 2/3 can still pass it. I&#39;ve said my piece about 25s but aside from their desirability (or not), I will note that (a) there are some logistical barriers (eg not all pools are long enough to have two sets of touchpads) and (b) nothing stops meets from having 25s right now -- some meets do just that -- they just don&#39;t count for things like Top 10 or records. if 18-24 cant compete in fina, you really think 25s are going to be included? lol Playing devil&#39;s advocate: we don&#39;t do everything exactly as FINA does...including allowing 18-24 age groupers to compete, or counting times from USA-S meets! :-)<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190617?ContentTypeID=1Tue, 02 Sep 2014 01:47:51 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:066b4fa4-455d-4690-bdf1-53859224610csunruhI&#39;m guessing it&#39;s got something to do with FINA. let&#39;s just say this: if 18-24 cant compete in fina, you really think 25s are going to be included? lol<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190605?ContentTypeID=1Tue, 02 Sep 2014 01:47:13 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:437556d2-c774-4504-9058-4b03dffe1072sunruh:bump: R15 in this year&#39;s rule proposals to be considered in less than three weeks: <a href="http://www.usms.org/admin/conv/2014/rulesproposals.pdf">www.usms.org/.../rulesproposals.pdf</a> Thoughts, opinions, comments? (The proposal is yards only though, not quite a match for the thread title.) Might as well read the other rule proposals while you&#39;re at it and let your LMSC delegates know if you feel strongly about any of them! i could give you a hint, but then i&#39;d have to hurt you...its ultra top secret. and if the rules committee does not include it in package, does it not take something like a 2/3rds vote by the HoD to pass it?<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190572?ContentTypeID=1Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:38:00 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:38be6153-903d-4fd4-8c7e-7c83883e92b5Jimbosback:bump: R15 in this year&#39;s rule proposals to be considered in less than three weeks: <a href="http://www.usms.org/admin/conv/2014/rulesproposals.pdf">www.usms.org/.../rulesproposals.pdf</a> Thoughts, opinions, comments? (The proposal is yards only though, not quite a match for the thread title.) Might as well read the other rule proposals while you&#39;re at it and let your LMSC delegates know if you feel strongly about any of them! 100 relays would be really fun!<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190558?ContentTypeID=1Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:17:15 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:78bfef2b-5433-450c-a9d0-816f76700044Chris StevensonThey say that the best April Fools jokes have their basis in reality... :bump: R15 in this year&#39;s rule proposals to be considered in less than three weeks: <a href="http://www.usms.org/admin/conv/2014/rulesproposals.pdf">www.usms.org/.../rulesproposals.pdf</a> Thoughts, opinions, comments? (The proposal is yards only though, not quite a match for the thread title.) Might as well read the other rule proposals while you&#39;re at it and let your LMSC delegates know if you feel strongly about any of them!<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190544?ContentTypeID=1Sat, 05 Apr 2014 07:23:09 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:d96a4e80-9c86-4dff-b832-6ba274c6b887__steve__You win Chris, but I tried<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/190536?ContentTypeID=1Sat, 05 Apr 2014 04:28:19 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:656a9844-bfcc-4dd3-b4ed-6e1414ef5608Chris StevensonLike the 100IM?:) 100 &gt; 25 Michael Moore, You have the most devious and creative mind! It&#39;s frightening to consider the detail. This may be your best one. Betsy They say that the best April Fools jokes have their basis in reality...<div style="clear:both;"></div>