Hot Water --Whining about the Whiners

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Former Member — Mon, 01 Jul 2013 05:42:24 GMT

I've come to the conclusion that it's better to train in a warmer pool. My reasoning is you will get used to the warm water (within reason--I would guess anything in the upper 80s is tough to adapt to). Meets will feel great when the water is cool and tolerable when the water is on the warm side. OTOH, if you are used to always swimming in cool water you will struggle mightily if you have to swim in warm water.One of the problems with high altitude training is that you can't work at the same intensity (speed) you can do at sea level. If your more of a mid to distance athlete I believe the same applies to pool temperatures, the warmer it is, the lower intensity of the training session. If you practice the training philosophy of swimming fast to race fast, warm water does tend to be a deterrent.

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Former Member — Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:44:31 GMT

I hear ya! The new Masters group I joined 2 weeks ago keeps the temps fro 77-79 depending on the time of day it's been such a joy. Back to swimming hard and not feeling ill afterwards woot woot! Tip of the hat to my hardcore friends who are enduring late afternoon water temps over 90 degrees at our city LC pool. The school district likes to play games. To "show" us, they turned the heat completely off and the water temp has been holding steady at 74 degrees. It's a bit chilly, but I love it! :bliss: I do feel bad for the one guy who never said a word about the heat...he wore a wetsuit to practice today. He was purple on Monday. Tomorrow is the last day at the school until September. I think I deal with the green water at the gym. They keep it at 82, and I don't have to worry about the rain.

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jpetyk — Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:17:46 GMT

The school district likes to play games. To "show" us, they turned the heat completely off and the water temp has been holding steady at 74 degrees. It's a bit chilly, but I love it! :bliss: I do feel bad for the one guy who never said a word about the heat...he wore a wetsuit to practice today. He was purple on Monday. Tomorrow is the last day at the school until September. I think I deal with the green water at the gym. They keep it at 82, and I don't have to worry about the rain.

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Elaine Krugman — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:48:14 GMT

Well, here I go again! The noodlers at our pool complained (loudly!) when our indoor pool temperature was turned down from 84 to 82 for the summer months. So, they petitioned and won a compromise of getting it turned up to 83. :shakeshead:

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spin6trix — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 01:22:51 GMT

Here's a suggestion!! Ask the lifeguard to turn on the hose, and but it in your lane! That's what we did when in was too warm in the YMCA pool.

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orca1946 — Sun, 16 Jun 2013 09:20:06 GMT

Mon. I start swimming outside for the summer in a 50 M pool. Must remember to wear dark goggles for backstroke with the am sun in my eyes.

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Karl_S — Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:52:13 GMT

I don't know why but I swim faster, have better UW efficiency, and am less prone to injury when the water isn't cool, and what's cold to me seems to be warm for others so it appears I'm the oddball. I'm usually shivering at meets and seek refuge by swimming in the the warmup pool if it's warmer. I've noticed the same thing. It may have to do with flexibility. A few days ago I did my workout in a pool than was significantly warmer than the one where I usually train and I was astounded at my flexibility.

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__steve__ — Sun, 16 Jun 2013 06:46:18 GMT

And breathing too, even with a snorkel.

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Chris Stevenson — Sun, 16 Jun 2013 05:55:17 GMT

Even though water is a poor thermal conductor, it still conducts more than air (over 4x), even humid air. The heat transfer across the gradient (cooling) happens a lot more in the poolExcept during running, even in humid air, you get significant heat loss due to evaporation. Not so much in swimming.

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__steve__ — Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:28:31 GMT

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swimcat — Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:16:22 GMT

Anything over 80 is too hot for me. If i want a hot pool, i will go to a hotel pool. Warm pools stuff up sinuses, zap energy etc. headaches.

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Former Member — Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:15:12 GMT

Not to hijack the thread. Moderators, feel free to move this post if necessary. Speaking of the warm environment. I'm currently a Senior majoring in Recreation Administration with a concentration in Aquatics. In one of my classes, we are studying Lifeguard Lung. I've been around water and been a lifeguard too, but this is the first time I've heard of this. Does anybody have any experience with this or more info? www.sciencedaily.com/.../981216180159.htm I hadn't heard of it. I did a quick database search of my library's holdings and it looks like the authors of that study are the only ones to have used that term among the stuff in our holdings. (We have a med school so I think our collection is a reasonable sample.) I looked at citations for papers that cited their paper and saw a reference to hot tub lung as well. More generally I found things about respiratory symptoms, infectious diseases, etc. I also learned that hot tub is bubbelpool in Swedish. :)

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Former Member — Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:52:59 GMT

If humidity is low, at any temperature sweating will help cool you when running. When humidity and temperature is high, running is awful. When pool/water temperatures get closer to body temperature, your body can't cool itself and it is easier to overheat. Today was my final straw as our city LC pool was 85 degrees at 645 this morning. It was just shy of 90 at 5pm last night. I'm joining a new Masters program across town that keeps it's pool in sane ranges typically high 70's to a smidge over 80 at worst. You warm water animals are tougher than I am.....I officially quit the microwave sessions!

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Former Member — Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:10:15 GMT

You know that is a really interesting observation. I come from a 26 year triathlon career and I found it to be the opposite for my bod. As long as I kept fluids coming in whenever I wanted them I performed best in heat. My PR for the HIM distance was in mid 90's weather at Gulf Coast in 1990. On any swims over Olympic distance I was always pounding fluids early in the bike. Hot water doomed me on race day b/c one can't pull over for water whenever one wants/needs it during the swim. My first IM I started the bike in a huge deficit and I never caught up hydration wise. At T2 I sat in the tent for 30 minutes drinking up b/f the run. I actually put a thread up here a few months ago asking if others experienced dehydration in hot water more than other activities. Dunno maybe I have a physical aberration that makes me prone to dehydration in water who knows. The pool factor equally doomed me during my triathlon training days b/c it was 90% threshold training, 5ish seconds of rest. That's barely enough time to stop breathing hard enough to ingest even a swig of water, for me anyway. By the time I'd hit 2K I was a sponge! If humidity is low, at any temperature sweating will help cool you when running. When humidity and temperature is high, running is awful. When pool/water temperatures get closer to body temperature, your body can't cool itself and it is easier to overheat.

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moodyrichardson — Mon, 10 Jun 2013 03:56:20 GMT

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__steve__ — Mon, 10 Jun 2013 03:16:35 GMT

Even though water is a poor thermal conductor, it still conducts more than air (over 4x), even humid air. The heat tranfer across the gradient (cooling) happens alot more in the pool

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Former Member — Sun, 09 Jun 2013 14:00:52 GMT

Swimming in 86 water is much easier than running in 86 air You know that is a really interesting observation. I come from a 26 year triathlon career and I found it to be the opposite for my bod. As long as I kept fluids coming in whenever I wanted them I performed best in heat. My PR for the HIM distance was in mid 90's weather at Gulf Coast in 1990. On any swims over Olympic distance I was always pounding fluids early in the bike. Hot water doomed me on race day b/c one can't pull over for water whenever one wants/needs it during the swim. My first IM I started the bike in a huge deficit and I never caught up hydration wise. At T2 I sat in the tent for 30 minutes drinking up b/f the run. I actually put a thread up here a few months ago asking if others experienced dehydration in hot water more than other activities. Dunno maybe I have a physical aberration that makes me prone to dehydration in water who knows. The pool factor equally doomed me during my triathlon training days b/c it was 90% threshold training, 5ish seconds of rest. That's barely enough time to stop breathing hard enough to ingest even a swig of water, for me anyway. By the time I'd hit 2K I was a sponge!

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Former Member — Sun, 09 Jun 2013 12:21:35 GMT

When you guys swim in pools that are "too hot" what exactly is it that makes it the most miserable? For me, my shoulders get really sluggish and I just can't seem to keep a high stroke tempo the way I can when I'm freezing. The ability to exert goes down quickly when it's too hot for me. Our LC pool is already 86* in the late afternoon as of last Wednesday. If I attempt to swim hard in that water I will invariably end up with the heaves due to dehydration. I can kinda sorta do very short stuff like broken 50's in the hot water, but to drop a pile of descending 200's in anything over 83 I'm on an egg timer for a 5 hour headache and laying on the couch. The day I stop swimming at maximal efforts though is the day I will embrace hot water. If I'm just flopping around or doing technique I can keep up with hydration and tolerate the hot stuff.

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__steve__ — Sun, 09 Jun 2013 09:20:42 GMT

Swimming in 86 water is much easier than running in 86 air

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jpetyk — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 07:35:20 GMT

It's amazing! Tuesday the water was pushing 87 degrees. A note from our coach to the school superintendent, stating that the KIDS were showing signs of heat exhaustion despite longer intervals and less time actually in the water, that she was going to have to file an insurance claim....today we had 82 degree water. :banana: It was glorious. The rubber duckies stayed in the equipment bag today. :bliss:

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Former Member — Thu, 30 May 2013 16:30:01 GMT

I'm accustomed to swimming outdoors throughout the year in a pool that typically ranges from 77-80, with occasional dips down to 75 and a rare spike up to 85. 85 is awful, and I don't swim distance. Just under 80 is great workout water for me.

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Former Member — Thu, 30 May 2013 13:47:53 GMT

Are you a runner by chance? Maybe runners might be more efficient at cooling core temps, and tend to lack thermal retentive abilities. That is absolutely fascinating. I am a swimmer, but I've only done swimming as an adult in 2008-9, then started again late 2011. However, I've been running without any significant time off since 1992. I do a 10+ miler most weekends. From June-Oct the air temp over 80. My body has definitely adjusted to deal with warm weather running. Perhaps lack of thermal retention goes along with it.

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ourswimmer — Thu, 30 May 2013 12:20:51 GMT

I'll take 85 over 79 every time. I've never encountered water that as too warm for me to do a normal distance workout, even summers in Florida. Anything under 80 is uncomfortable to me and makes my shoulders hurt worse than in warmer water. I am a distance swimmer myself and I would like to report for the record that neither of these posts makes the slightest sense whatsoever.

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jpetyk — Thu, 30 May 2013 10:59:50 GMT

Cooler water helps keep the bronchial spasms at bay (exercise induced asthma), and allows me to work harder longer. Hot water feels like I'm swimming through pudding, and drains all my energy. By 2 pm I'm ready for a nap, and despite my repeated suggestions that we have "siesta," my boss just chuckles and walks away. Air quality plays a big role too. 85 degree water on a 60 degree morning in an outdoor pool is just as comfortable as 80 degree water in an indoor pool that's poorly ventilated.

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__steve__ — Thu, 30 May 2013 07:21:01 GMT

I've never encountered water that as too warm for me to do a normal distance workout, even summers in Florida. Anything uner 80 is uncomfortable to me and makes my shoulders hurt worse than in warmer water. Are you a runner by chance? Maybe runners might be more efficient at cooling core temps, and tend to lack thermal retentive abilities.