Starts/Flip Turns = how much time saved on a 50y free/ 50 br

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Former Member — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:07:28 GMT

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mcnair — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:17:11 GMT

So last night I couldn't sleep... its only 5 days till my meet and i'm already dreaming every night about it. While I was up I was looking over times from a few meets. The one I'm doing this weekend and the state meet for IL last year. What I noticed is that every first 50 is almost 1.5-3 seconds faster than the next splits. I assume this is related to starting off the blocks vs flip turns etc? That being said would one be able to assume they can easily save 1.5-2 seconds then when starting from the blocks vs in the water and a push off? Depends on how clean your entry is and a few other factors, but my block start gives me easily 2-3 secs advantage in the first 50, if not 3-5 secs... fast 50s for me in practice are 35-36 secs from push off, but 31-32 off the blocks; I'm a slow twitch guy, so that makes a difference I'm sure (i.e., taking longer to get up to speed off a push start).

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Former Member — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:23:38 GMT

And I'm all fast twitch... but fast twitch doesn't help nearly as much when you are overweight by 40lbs! My endurance is horrible at the moment.

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Former Member — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:38:00 GMT

I would love to be able to do the workouts you do McNair... those are some impressive distances you are putting up.

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mcnair — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 05:09:58 GMT

I would love to be able to do the workouts you do McNair... those are some impressive distances you are putting up. Well, days like today I'd trade some of that endurance for a few more fast-twitch muscle fibers...

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mcnair — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:42:59 GMT

I do practice my flip turns separate from my repeats. I have also begun doing them on select repeats especially when I do 75's. thanks to u mentioning I should. The first time I did them on a repeat I abut drowned as I pushed off too deep and my breathing was way off! sorry for your confusion regarding what I meant by 50y repeats at 33-35. I'm used to track nomenclature. Ie. do 10x200 at 30 sec. W 1m rest. I am New to real competitive swimming. I just started doing flip turns last fall; flips in isolation versus flips at normal speed versus flips at sprint speed... they're all different animals. One thing I found helped me get ready for the flip turn in the context of a meet was to do hard 25, flip, cruise 25; even practice it going off the blocks for the first 25... that way you'll have a good idea of what it feels like coming into that first wall in your first meet, because that's a whole different feeling and you don't want to be bouncing off the bottom (do what I say, not what I did! ha, ha). And Backstroke flip turns are a blast... search for some video on those on youtube or google video; it's essentially the same turn: about two strokes from the wall take your final back stroke, roll to front extending arm toward the wall, pull and flip just as you would for freestyle.

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Former Member — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:52:17 GMT

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aztimm — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:53:58 GMT

You're doing 50 yard free on :35 intervals? There's probably only a handful of swimmers on my team (certainly not me) who can do that, and they are flip turning. How many repeats are you doing?

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Former Member — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:51:52 GMT

If you plan to do flip turns in competition you should be practicing them as much as possible. This ^

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Former Member — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:39:16 GMT

I only do in sets of 5x50. Usually 45-1min between. Now after that set I am gassed. I do have a pretty strong push off as my lower body is fairly strong/powerful.

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knelson — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:30:49 GMT

You never answered my question about why you are using open turns in practice. If you plan to do flip turns in competition you should be practicing them as much as possible.

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aztimm — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:27:26 GMT

I only do in sets of 5x50. Usually 45-1min between. Now after that set I am gassed. I do have a pretty strong push off as my lower body is fairly strong/powerful. Ok, so you're doing 5 x 50 @ 1:30 or so, and holding :33 to :35 then. That's much different than I got from your OP.

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Former Member — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:35:16 GMT

Ha! No kidding. Cold and flu season is so much easier when swimming... nice clear sinuses! Just make sure you lead your lane. :eek: :bolt:

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Former Member — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:38:05 GMT

Oh I can imagine... I have a feeling its going to be brutal!

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Former Member — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:27:44 GMT

Get a pair of short fins and practice your back turns;) It's better than a Neti pot the first few times you do it.

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mlabresh — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:14:58 GMT

It's better than a Neti pot the first few times you do it. Ha! No kidding. Cold and flu season is so much easier when swimming... nice clear sinuses!

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knelson — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:48:04 GMT

I am able to do repeats at 33-35 on fr fairly easily from push off and an open turn. Why are you practicing with open turns?

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__steve__ — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:11:12 GMT

busted out some backstroke repeats tonight and realized I have no idea how to do a back turn...seeing as when I was swimming at age 8-9 you only did 25 backs... I was pleasantly surprised at how fast I was able to do my 25 repeats tonight considering the fact I hadn't practiced back other than kicking on my back as a rest period. May have just added another event to my meet in 2 weeks!Get a pair of short fins and practice your back turns;)

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mlabresh — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:08:57 GMT

eeeeeww... snot bath!

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orca1946 — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:26:23 GMT

NOOO! I want to swim ahead of ol drippy sinus nose !!

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Former Member — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:21:14 GMT

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Former Member — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:32:36 GMT

Good... my goal was to be under 30 for my first race. Maybe I will adjust that a bit. Now if I could just get my *** figured out... really need my wife to come video me at the pool!

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swoomer — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:59:22 GMT

Not to be confused with 50% of your time. I'm an older female, and there's about a 7 second disconnect between my push-off workout 50 free and workout 50 *** and race 50 free with flip and 50 race *** times. Hope his helps. Racing is always a pleasant surprise!

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Former Member — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:33:17 GMT

that is 50% of your race - start and turn.

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__steve__ — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 05:49:21 GMT

that is 50% of your race - start and turn.In a 50 the start and turn is 2/3 of the race :)