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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://community.usms.org/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/swimming/f/general/11168/workout-jammer-vs-race-jammer</link><description>Do you guys utilize a different pair for workouts vs races? If so what are you guys wearing?</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185645?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2013 01:02:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:f9950492-b574-42c2-a33f-6b4c6a68df9a</guid><dc:creator>aztimm</dc:creator><description>I also have a Yingfa jammer that I wear for meets, but it is probably time for a new one.  The first time I wore it, I think it took at least 5 min to put on.  And it never seemed to go up that high in the back...  But the last time I wore it, it slipped right on.
I&amp;#39;ve also ordered from George.  I think we exchanged a few PM&amp;#39;s to get the sizing correct.  If I remember correctly, I got a M.
Anyway, I tried on the suit at home after I got it.  I swam the 1500m in a brief then went into the locker room to change into the jammer.  I dove in for the 100m free having never worn it in the water, and felt like I was swimming on/above the water.

For normal workouts, I either wear just a brief or a brief with a dragsuit over it.  If I go with the dragsuit combo, and we do fast swims, I&amp;#39;ll sometimes take off the dragsuit for the last repeat or 2 just to see + feel the difference it makes.
And I also agree on the vanity sizing thing.  Not just with swimsuits, but with most slacks.  I ordered a size 28 in the USMS-Nike GTD suit (a brief), and it fits perfectly.  If I didn&amp;#39;t bike and have big thighs, I&amp;#39;d probably fit in a small jammer too...  
One of the men&amp;#39;s magazines (either Details or Esquire) did a story on vanity sizing a few months ago...what some stores sell as a 36 waist can be as large as a real 42!&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185533?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:53:28 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:1ea7592f-830d-46db-a2a1-70af8bd630ec</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>So I just got my Yinga 9402 in the mail.  Fabric looks thick and nothing like other competition suits I&amp;#39;ve worn but I will give it a try next weekend at some of the events I&amp;#39;m not too fond of.  I&amp;#39;ll have a more complete review of the suit after that weekend.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185625?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:44:06 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:0e10c356-38c9-46e4-b312-3ab0dcbab686</guid><dc:creator>rxleakem</dc:creator><description>So I just got my Yinga 9402 in the mail.
Me, too!  I ordered from swimdownhill late on Monday and the new suit arrived on Thursday.  Got the size L again, and after about two minutes of struggle was able to tie it on.  Boy, I need to drop some weight!  haha&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185493?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:10:08 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:220b84a2-4f64-46b2-a0a4-16840b1a0ade</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>Go easy on the guys wearing Jammers.  I wear a Jammer once in a great while.  99% of the time its a swim brief.  If I do wear a Jammer its a nighttime swim at an outdoor pool, or a regular swim at an indoor pool.  I can do without the Hank Hill tan lines.  Jammers have probably brought a lot of men, and boys, into the pool who would other wise not get anywhere near a pool if a swim brief was there only option, aside from board shorts.

Lets not forget some men who wear boardshorts to a pool, the slip them off while they swim in their swim brief.  Then slip the boardshorts back on again before they get out of the pool.  Those guys are hilarious.  Even a few Lifeguards I know do this.  It makes me laugh every time.

You hit the nail right on the head!!! 

The whole jammer idea is really about the &amp;quot;Speedophobia&amp;quot; trend in the early 90s (and purportedly to avoid embarrassment) - and not about swimming faster. BTW, jammers really accentuate that embarassing &amp;quot;male anatomy&amp;quot; more than briefs. Just take a look in a full length mirror and you&amp;#39;ll see what I&amp;#39;m talking about!!! :D

D2&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185461?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:45:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:ec5bea43-80dc-456e-9c07-eaef83728a45</guid><dc:creator>oldmodelt</dc:creator><description>People who wear jammers at practice are weird. :)

Then call me weird.  
I wear 2 old jammers that have worn out almost in different places.  One of them, the oldest stretches down almost to my calves.  Why pay for a dragsuit(s)?  When one or both fail.  I just replace with another oldsuit.  They operate like one of those parachute gizmos that the swimshops sell.  Then when I put on the &amp;#8220;race&amp;#8221; suit it feels like nothing.  Which it is.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185471?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:11:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:94366b41-0cf8-48d2-9c3e-120699eea353</guid><dc:creator>habu987</dc:creator><description>Just thought I&amp;#39;d revive... everyone figure out their Nationals suits?

I seem to be the outlier on this thread, as I have no problems rationalizing dropping big bucks on a Nats suit, since it&amp;#39;ll become my regular meet suit after Nats until I get a Nats suit next year and repeat the cycle.

I ordered the Arena Powerskin Carbon Pro White Hot special edition jammer on 3/22.  With a discount code and a leftover $75 gift card from Christmas, I got it for $285.  Well, I say that&amp;#39;s what I paid for it...but I haven&amp;#39;t received a confirmation email yet and it hasn&amp;#39;t cleared my bank account...

Over the approximate 12 meets I&amp;#39;ll wear the suit at until I buy a new suit next year, that comes out to ~$25 a meet.

I haven&amp;#39;t had any experience with Arena, as I&amp;#39;ve been a Speedo man for as long as I&amp;#39;ve bought tech suits--first Aquablade and then the FS and FSII when they came out.  I&amp;#39;m pumped to try it out!  Heh, it&amp;#39;ll be easy to spot me at meets, too! :banana:&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185402?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:19:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:88354a07-863d-45c8-ab25-cfd4449de3e4</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>In case anybody is wondering about the Yingfa jammers, I emailed customer service and they said their #9402 is their newest and best model for competition.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185348?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:53:46 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:bf238ddf-5cb3-4f6d-ad93-ceece5c98208</guid><dc:creator>orca1946</dc:creator><description>Almost all the guys wear jammers at practice. I still like  bikini speedos. OOHH ! get over it - us guys do have something in them, we were born with it!&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185391?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:00:25 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:87266653-bfb7-47fc-9f5c-530b852723a4</guid><dc:creator>Jimbosback</dc:creator><description>:agree: Mr. Park is great to shop with and very helpful in determining the best fit.


I wear a 34 and, with some effort, can squeeze into the L. :weightlifter: I&amp;#39;m planning on buying a 9402 (like the color choices).


Wow. I&amp;#39;d have no chance of that!&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185373?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:43:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:9d379a20-5fb4-4353-be01-64aaedd04c32</guid><dc:creator>rxleakem</dc:creator><description>I have no idea why I even read this thread, but may I add my :2cents: ?  I bought my ladies Yingfa here:  &lt;a href="http://www.swimdownhill.com"&gt;http://www.swimdownhill.com&lt;/a&gt;

George provides excellent service and several other Forumites have been happy with him, as well.
:agree: Mr. Park is great to shop with and very helpful in determining the best fit.

I wear a 32 or 34 Endurance and I get the XL (30-32).
I wear a 34 and, with some effort, can squeeze into the L. :weightlifter: I&amp;#39;m planning on buying a 9402 (like the color choices).&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185365?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:10:55 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:cc0bfd7f-74e1-452c-8545-2f0580102793</guid><dc:creator>Bill Sive</dc:creator><description>Go easy on the guys wearing Jammers.  I wear a Jammer once in a great while.  99% of the time its a swim brief.  If I do wear a Jammer its a nighttime swim at an outdoor pool, or a regular swim at an indoor pool.  I can do without the Hank Hill tan lines.  Jammers have probably brought a lot of men, and boys, into the pool who would other wise not get anywhere near a pool if a swim brief was there only option, aside from board shorts.

Lets not forget some men who wear boardshorts to a pool, the slip them off while they swim in their swim brief.  Then slip the boardshorts back on again before they get out of the pool.  Those guys are hilarious.  Even a few Lifeguards I know do this.  It makes me laugh every time.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185257?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 16:05:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:99c099d1-1ab8-4db4-8c59-099096e6c2ea</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>Try wearing a Nike Python II.

It fits super tight and really irritates your legs. 
You will definitely swim faster because you can&amp;#39;t wait for the race to be over and you can take it off. :bouncing:

D2&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/184437?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:37:03 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:aedf4b6a-8837-4458-a2bc-756ef3fd4f95</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>I used my Nike GTD red brief for my last USA-S meet in Ellensburg, which was a size 30, and it seemed to fit just fine, and I had a great meet with it. Maybe it&amp;#39;s the jammer, or maybe something else? Who really knows?

I&amp;#39;m also still in the hunt for a suit for Nationals. I&amp;#39;ve done everything else as far as signing up, hotel, plane, etc. Just need to get the suit. I may just stick with a new Yingfa as they are pretty good on the first couple runs as well like Jimby said above. Unless there&amp;#39;s another cheap bang for the buck that&amp;#39;s better.

Which Yingfa suit do you use for competition?  I&amp;#39;ve been looking into getting one but I don&amp;#39;t know which one to get&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185177?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:18:54 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:117646b9-61b1-4ce6-8b04-085eca86c934</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>Have u had any experience with the #9102?
Sorry I haven&amp;#39;t.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185081?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:28:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:abc43232-905e-49f8-971a-3f5eedfd778e</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>I have both the Yingfa #9205 and the #9402. I think the #9205 is better. The texture of the #9205 matches or is very similar to other brands of jammers that sell for $150+.

Have u had any experience with the #9102?&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185021?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:21:51 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:ac35fd5e-be9e-4380-88ee-f14f2e72c205</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>Thanks!   I appreciate the input.  I love the &amp;quot;modesty&amp;quot; panel!&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/184956?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:13:56 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:b6f085b0-aefb-467a-9d89-4c778e5469b8</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>I like the fact I&amp;#39;m XXL/XXXL... nothing like making one want to lose weight!

For reference my normal meet suit speedo endurance is a 36 (34 was just too tight).  The 3XL yingfa is a perfect fit for me.  I ordered two more for nats.  So i have three yingfa suits plus my FS pro that has a handful more races left in it.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/184883?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:12:02 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:e83c2a40-c98a-442c-91d3-071b6aaba83b</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>Good to know that they will run a bit small.   And my asst. is wondering why I have such a grin on my face... you emoticons are awesome.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/184782?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:28:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:10555ee2-f2a9-4512-85d5-b998d14da635</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>I like the fact I&amp;#39;m XXL/XXXL... nothing like making one want to lose weight!&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/184671?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:53:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:24ec5796-e2e2-4820-bcc6-9a13e4d8900b</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>How do they size?  I wear a 36 in speedo endurance and iSport.  But I think in the next 4 weeks I will have lost some fat as the 36&amp;#39;s are looser than they were 2 weeks ago.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/184592?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 05:59:08 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:38b07130-f2ce-4c92-93c7-20790613d1ab</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>Where did you buy your Yingfa at?&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/184512?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 05:01:28 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:5a707a79-1170-4643-b871-f8bb160dbc27</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>Which Yingfa suit do you use for competition?  I&amp;#39;ve been looking into getting one but I don&amp;#39;t know which one to get
I have both the Yingfa #9205 and the #9402. I think the #9205 is better. The texture of the #9205 matches or is very similar to other brands of jammers that sell for $150+.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/185163?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 04:49:48 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:ae275666-a408-48d1-bfd1-42dc0eb36e14</guid><dc:creator>Elaine Krugman</dc:creator><description>Good to know that they will run a bit small.   And my asst. is wondering why I have such a grin on my face... you emoticons are awesome.

Jim gets all the credit; he put them in the Smiley menu! :D Click on the smile icon above to see some of your choices.  If you click on &amp;quot;More&amp;quot;, all sorts of goodies pop up.  These are my favorites:  :bliss::ohyeah:&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/184863?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:53:10 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:a3ec3c2d-e7d3-4ff1-823f-9e397d128627</guid><dc:creator>Elaine Krugman</dc:creator><description>I have no idea why I even read this thread, but may I add my :2cents: ?  I bought my ladies Yingfa here:  &lt;a href="http://www.swimdownhill.com"&gt;http://www.swimdownhill.com&lt;/a&gt;

George provides excellent service and several other Forumites have been happy with him, as well.

sok454:  I feel your pain :bighug:.  I am 5&amp;#39;71/2&amp;quot; and weigh 123 pounds, however, I have to wear a XXXL :censor:.  Yingfa is a Chinese company, and, as you probably know, the Chinese are tiny.  I don&amp;#39;t have a huge:mooning: , but the XXL didn&amp;#39;t exactly cover it :afraid:.  So, George exchanged it for a XXXL and covered shipping.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Workout Jammer vs Race Jammer?</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/184766?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:18:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:c57ab11e-9b42-441c-a6a3-ae673ebdec1d</guid><dc:creator>Jimbosback</dc:creator><description>They are small -- but pretty true to the sizing chart. If you have big legs, you might want to get the bigger one, because although the waists match up with Speedo, both of my suits have skinnier legs than any Speedo I&amp;#39;ve ever worn. They are tough to get on, but comfortable once I squeeze in.

I wear a 32 or 34 Endurance and I get the XL (30-32).&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>