Armstrong and USMS - Swimming world article

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Former Member — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:48:17 GMT

Now here is a shocker. It appears that he may have lied in the interview. Apparently there is evidence that he was blood doping in 2009. Maybe he admitted to things that were past the statutes of limitations and not a breach of a promise he made to his ex wife Kristin when he asked for her permission to begin his comeback.

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Former Member — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:38:54 GMT

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Former Member — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:56:00 GMT

... USMS can follow suit and make 2013 the official "S--- on Lance" Year. Right, because he didn't do anything to deserve the lawsuits, lifetime ban, or being stripped of the titles. I guess anyone that purposely attempts to ruin lives by a goon squad tactics doesn't deserve to be crapped on.

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Former Member — Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:19:07 GMT

If he can be believed, Lance did say in the interview that he hasn't doped since 2005, which was long before he started participating in sanctioned swimming events. Now here is a shocker. It appears that he may have lied in the interview. Apparently there is evidence that he was blood doping in 2009.

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__steve__ — Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:52:26 GMT

He probably has been doping off and on for 20 yrs. He needs a 12 step program

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Heather Messerly — Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:43:52 GMT

Now here is a shocker. It appears that he may have lied in the interview. Apparently there is evidence that he was blood doping in 2009. Wow!!! I am shocked, a man who would lie would lie again. He really is just a disgrace.

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Former Member — Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:14:44 GMT

Right. But then Lance enters the meet and, once again, becomes the center of attention. As one of our local DJ's suggested this morning, if he wants to compete again he should buy an X Box and play Halo. Wow did Lance pee in your Wheaties or something? Now here is a shocker. It appears that he may have lied in the interview. Apparently there is evidence that he was blood doping in 2009. Really? You got a source for that? Other than some guy in WADA saying his bilogical passport looked suspect? This guy sounds like another disenfranchised breaststroker (as all breaststrokers are)...probably swam some rec. league growing up and failed in his attempted comeback in this "charade" of a sport by getting his ass kicked by a triathlete. Gosh.. you got me. I won the 8&U 25y *** in the Podunk, USA country club championship and couldn't believe USMS meets were so serious as to not even hold the 25. I mean WTH. And I had to deal with obnoxious backstrokers running into me during wam-ups and relentless wrist-watching of the triathletes on every open turn. And their goggles. Wow. Is that a facemask? Are you going snorkeling? A quick glance of their rules...one hand touches on turns are legal in fly and ***. We can probably all agree on this.. The ASA is a complete farce. Maybe I had a couple bad experiences with a-hole Masters swimmers at meets. It sounds like I'm the exception. Which is a good thing. Another good thing would be allowing Lance to compete in Masters. He hasn't done anything wrong against USMS rules, and probably won't be going forward no matter what rules they enact. Or USMS can follow suit and make 2013 the official "S--- on Lance" Year. I don't think that'd be helping anyone.

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Former Member — Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:28:05 GMT

This is pretty funny: www.bbc.co.uk/.../world-asia-21115720 Hopefully the student librarian doesn't get in trouble.

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oldmodelt — Sun, 20 Jan 2013 02:51:50 GMT

If I remember correctly one of the things the Bells wanted their new swim organization to do was to have each age be it's own age group. So instead of a 45 - 49 age group, there would be an age group for 45, one for 46, one for 47 etc. At least that's what I recall. Following ASA's rules I guess I am the WR holder of the Men's 100 yard one arm Butterfly. Either arm, it really doesn't matter. I set it last year when I was 55. And did it again yesterday in a sanctioned practice (against myself) when I was 56. So I guess I'm a repeat winner. Move over Micheal, Rebecca et al. I'd like to thank the Academy, my parents and all the little people I had to swim over/through/around in order to win this honor.

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Former Member — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:24:24 GMT

Allen, you know the only ones who knock Beautiful Stoke are those with Frog Envy!!! Coming soon, the debut album, Beautiful Stroke, from King Frog and the Disenfranchised Breaststrokers - sure to be #1 on iTunes! :dj_dance:

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knelson — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:37:59 GMT

Right. But then Lance enters the meet and, once again, becomes the center of attention. True, but that's not really Lance's fault. People can choose to ignore him. It almost seems trendy at this point to strip Armstrong of anything he's won. I don't defend him in any way, shape or form but I also see no reason to ban the man from future competition in something like masters swimming.

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Elaine Krugman — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 07:22:45 GMT

When I read about ASA it seemed silly,simplify the stroke rules to the point of meaninglessness and have WRs for every year(41 is a different age group from 42 etc.) and have WRs held by people whose main qualification is to be within driving distance of Austin.I think their banning Lance Armstrong is the most publicity they have ever gotten. I just finished reading the information posted on their website and came to the same conclusion- before reading your post. Their "rules" don't work for me. And, looking over their event calendar, it's all about Texas. I thought they were called the "American Swimming Association". :dunno:

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Glenn — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 07:20:50 GMT

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Allen Stark — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:41:01 GMT

The posting with the history of the ASA is from Philip Arcuni, February 4th, 2002 I met Keith Bell at my very first Masters meet in 1974.I thought he was a nice guy and a really good swimmer.I don't know why he/they got upset with USMS.I was in Oregon by the founding and so we didn't have local meets together.When I read about ASA it seemed silly,simplify the stroke rules to the point of meaninglessness and have WRs for every year(41 is a different age group from 42 etc.) and have WRs held by people whose main qualification is to be within driving distance of Austin.I think their banning Lance Armstrong is the most publicity they have ever gotten.

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orca1946 — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:18:06 GMT

One hash ???? Even age group little kids are D Q ed for that !!!

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gdanner — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 04:24:53 GMT

Did you read the comments below the press release? Does anybody know why Bill Volckening is so critical of USMS? What the $@*&? :bitching: It looks like him and the Bells are anti-rules. Some of their philosophy... Save trees and tears. ASA rules yield few disqualifications. Don't make it a production. ASA rules require fewer officials. Promote integrity. ASA self-disqualification rules keep races in perspective... A quick glance of their rules...one hand touches on turns are legal in fly and ***.

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swim53 — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 04:10:15 GMT

The posting with the history of the ASA is from Philip Arcuni, February 4th, 2002

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debaru — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 04:00:40 GMT

Well, that's interesting, since I can't imagine they did drug testing at those events. Did you read the comments below the press release? Does anybody know why Bill Volckening is so critical of USMS? What the $@*&? :bitching: P.S. Debaru, I love your signature! :banana: LOL! I typically don't read comments in news articles for this very reason. But, I was wondering why the ASA exists when there is USMS. However, I did think it was a bit odd that the ASA chose to oust Lance and his team. If he can be believed, Lance did say in the interview that he hasn't doped since 2005, which was long before he started participating in sanctioned swimming events. I guess they have their reasons, but I'm wondering if the ASA is going to be challenged in court. It really isn't fair to the other swimmers to be considered "guilty by association."

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swim53 — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 04:00:17 GMT

I don't think Bill V is being critical. I think he believes the Bell's are being "harsh". I found a post about the "ASA" and the Bell's from Feb. 2002 to explain what the ASA is. It is my understanding that the Bell's were disgruntled and split off from usms. I know Sandy is a former Olympian and I think her husband was her coach, and also is a swimmer. I saw her early in my masters swim career at a meet on deck. She was wearing her Olympic jacket with patches all over it, I believe. I thought, "Oh boy...."

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Elaine Krugman — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 02:45:17 GMT

Well, the American Swimming Association has banned Lance for life and has reversed his SwimStrong team wins. swimswam.com/.../ Well, that's interesting, since I can't imagine they did drug testing at those events. Did you read the comments below the press release? Does anybody know why Bill Volckening is so critical of USMS? What the $@*&? :bitching: P.S. Debaru, I love your signature! :banana:

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debaru — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 02:18:20 GMT

Well, the American Swimming Association has banned Lance for life and has reversed his SwimStrong team wins. swimswam.com/.../

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Elaine Krugman — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 01:58:28 GMT

Coming soon, the debut album, Beautiful Stroke, from King Frog and the Disenfranchised Breaststrokers - sure to be #1 on iTunes! :dj_dance: I would be happy to croak out a few lines as King Frog's back-up croaker! :banana:

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Former Member — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:32:55 GMT

I wholeheartedly agree with Rain man: Masters swimming meets are, like life itself, a ridiculous charade. Then we die. I hate the idea that Lance Armstrong can swim for masters, but I don't think there is any realistic way to ban bullying jerk liars from the sport. I'll get over it.

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Former Member — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:47:05 GMT

Where else can you be entered into a meet, and the stands are the most boisterous for a 82 year old grandmother that just finished a legal 100 fly? USMS rocks! :woot: Right. But then Lance enters the meet and, once again, becomes the center of attention. As one of our local DJ's suggested this morning, if he wants to compete again he should buy an X Box and play Halo.

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orca1946 — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:36:24 GMT

This sounds like a hockey forums - there bully, bashing & banning are the norm. OOOHHH ! I forgot they cancelled 1/2 the season over $$$$$