The Kicking Lane

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Former Member — Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:49:08 GMT

I have the same issue when swimming and I think it has something to do with breathing on the left side. When I bi-lateral I don't cross-over. Try it and see if that's the case with you ekw. I pretty much always bilateral breathe, except when racing, so in my case that's not it. Good idea, though. Maybe the reverse is true for me? I'll experiment.

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Former Member — Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:35:18 GMT

To execute a strong 6-beat kick, I have to allow my kick to determine my stroke cadence. I think that might be what you mean by 'unnatural.' It feels strange to be kick-driven, but the clock does not lie. I'll try thinking of it that way. The other problem I have is that my feet still try to cross over when I'm trying to kick more than two beats.

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ande — Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:54:28 GMT

Kick for Time Results: www.pacificmasters.org/.../13Memopostal.html 04:52.1 This is an incredible performance! In perspective and think of where I would be by the 5 min mark, about 250 yd's, and about that point my legs would lock up and I would have to crawl on the deck into the locker room. Truly was here's the link to the practice Chris Stevenson did it

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Bobinator — Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:42:41 GMT

I'll try thinking of it that way. The other problem I have is that my feet still try to cross over when I'm trying to kick more than two beats. I have the same issue when swimming and I think it has something to do with breathing on the left side. When I bi-lateral I don't cross-over. Try it and see if that's the case with you ekw.

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ande — Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:23:31 GMT

today I did: 8 x 25 flutter kick with a board on :40 NO BREATH just kicked easy speed

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:46:37 GMT

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That Guy — Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:24:04 GMT

:bump: My natural kick is a two-beat crossover kick. When I try to increase my kick while swimming freestyle, it feels very unnatural but I know that a stronger kick would serve me well on shorter events. I trudge through kick sets but I don't feel like it translates to my swimming except in backstroke. How might I get used to kicking more while swimming? Would wearing short fins help? To execute a strong 6-beat kick, I have to allow my kick to determine my stroke cadence. I think that might be what you mean by 'unnatural.' It feels strange to be kick-driven, but the clock does not lie.

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__steve__ — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:45:11 GMT

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hazy626 — Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:22:09 GMT

I like the set you posted. Maybe in awhile you can try an interval. Body position is key in kick. I developed better body positon by using snorkel and floating on my back for several minutes at a time and trying to keep very still and raise my toes out of the water. Same thing on my stomach but try to get heels slightly out of the water. Glad your surgery outcome was good!

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hazy626 — Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:12:37 GMT

Last year (2102) I decided to do 100 miles of kick (with no fins). I made it, but at times it was sort of boring. 2 miles of open water kick for an hour and 45 minutes can pile on the monotony. I overcame some hurdles which included two sprained ankles, one injured shoulder, one bike wreck and a weeks vacation (with no pool). I plan on doing 110 miles this year! :bliss:

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KEWebb18 — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 05:01:40 GMT

I have a training snorkel on its way to me now....anyone know of some good kick/snorkel drills? Or other kick drills not involving a streamline? I've been doing a lot of kicking with my arms at my side working all strokes with and without fins. It really helps with body position IMHO. I've also done a lot of kicking on my sides (not with a snorkel) and working on hip rotation. You can make any set into a kick set.

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swimslick — Fri, 28 Dec 2012 04:54:18 GMT

Recovering from labrum surgery. Back in the pool for a week now kicking in the 'executive' lane, aka the gutter lane. No board and can only do half streamline with my good arm, but can manage flip turns. One thing I look forward to is being able to 'stroke' into the wall again.....which is something I haven't been able to do in a long time due to the bum shoulder. All my teammates would kill me on those stroking turns......no fair!!!! Last nights workout (using short fins): 500 mixed kick warmup 3 x 5 x 100 1 x Flutter kick on stomach, arms at side (breathe by turning onto back) 1 x Dolphin kick on back, arms at side 1 x Side flutter kick, good arm leading 1 x Back flutter kick, good arm leading 1 x Dolphin dives (5-6 kicks per stroke with good arm). 500 cool down, no fins, mostly breaststroke kick on back 2500 LONG COURSE METERS total. Every single little muscle in my FOOT hurts. I have a training snorkel on its way to me now....anyone know of some good kick/snorkel drills? Or other kick drills not involving a streamline? I've got at least 2-3 months more of this....wish me luck and/or kill me now!!! :drown:

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ande — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:56:24 GMT

Has anyone done this challenge or planning to do it? how'd it go? We have till Monday Dec 31st I've trained a little for it. Had a few trial runs. 1st attempt: 5:32 (1:23 ave) (did it shortly after a a pretty hard 500 FR 5:15) 2nd attempt: 5:24 (1:21 ave) pretty sure I can go faster From Dec 1st - Dec 31st USMS now offers the 400 Kick for Time Postal challenge. Description: A fun postal event to encourage all swimmers to improve their kick. Prizes will be awarded to the top three swimmers in each age group in the 400 Kick for Time. Swimmers may kick any stroke or combination of strokes as long as they are holding a kickboard. Rules: 1. Must use a kickboard. 2. No "stroking" into wall. 3. No flip turns. 4. You may do the 400 Kick for Time in any 25 yard length pool. 5. Must be completed between December 1 and 31, 2012. 6. Entry must be submitted online or received by mail by January 17, 2013. 7. Swimmers who change age groups during the event may enter and pay twice, but must kick the event twice, once in each age group. 8. One watch per swimmer. 9. Short Course Yards times only. 10. No fins allowed. Online Entry Form

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Former Member — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:06:51 GMT

From Dec 1st - Dec 31st USMS now offers the 400 Kick for Time Postal challenge. Description: A fun postal event to encourage all swimmers to improve their kick. Prizes will be awarded to the top three swimmers in each age group in the 400 Kick for Time. Swimmers may kick any stroke or combination of strokes as long as they are holding a kickboard. Rules: 1. Must use a kickboard. 2. No "stroking" into wall. 3. No flip turns. 4. You may do the 400 Kick for Time in any 25 yard length pool. 5. Must be completed between December 1 and 31, 2012. 6. Entry must be submitted online or received by mail by January 17, 2013. 7. Swimmers who change age groups during the event may enter and pay twice, but must kick the event twice, once in each age group. 8. One watch per swimmer. 9. Short Course Yards times only. 10. No fins allowed. Online Entry Form I involuntarily did it yesterday. I've always disliked kicking due to ankles of stone. However, my "stable" ankles enable me to run much better than most swimmers can. I did a vigorous 12 mile run Tuesday, then coach ambushed us Wednesday AM with the 400 kick. I did a 7:13, which is quite good for me.

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Rich Abrahams — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:35:42 GMT

I involuntarily did it yesterday. I've always disliked kicking due to ankles of stone. However, my "stable" ankles enable me to run much better than most swimmers can. I did a vigorous 12 mile run Tuesday, then coach ambushed us Wednesday AM with the 400 kick. I did a 7:13, which is quite good for me. I tried it last week. 6:47. Do I get an altitude adjustment for 5200 ft elevation? Tough not stroking into the walls. I'm probably not going to formally register. It was a good challenge, however.

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orca1946 — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 01:31:43 GMT

Can quads make a relay ? Yes & I'll bet they are all the same age !!! ha ha ha ha !

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smontanaro — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:43:20 GMT

I'd be lucky to do it in 8:30. Don't feel too bad...

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habu987 — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:47:45 GMT

Did the 400 kick for time this morning and had a very embarrassing performance! Took it out in a 1:24, then got simultaneous massive hamstring cramps in both legs and split 1:35, 1:39, 1:44. Very painful and pitiful performance!

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ande — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 01:58:52 GMT

Today in practice we did a 500 FR swim for time on 15:00 went 5:18 then a 400 Kick for Time on 14:00 following the rules of USMS postal swim went 5:32 1:23 ave (the no stroking rule hurts my time, the way I like to turn when kicking is: as I approach the wall for a turn, take an arm stroke with my right arm then redirect the board with my left. Grab the wall with my right and turn) think I'll spend next week improving my kicking fitness then rest a little during Christmas then give the 400 K a shot on Fri Dec 28th, Sat, Sun or Mon Dec 31st.

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ande — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:11:23 GMT

I'd never heard of this postal event. When was it added? One question. It says: 2. No "stroking" into wall. Do you just kick until your board bumps the wall, then turn? I sent this email to Marcia: Hi Marcia, On the 400 kick for Time Consider requiring counters/timers to use a split sheet & for kickers to include their 50 splits along with their final times Please clarify the rule: "2. No stroking into the wall" On turns, are kickers allowed to redirect their boards before they touch the wall? On more rules consider specifying no pulling on lane lines One or 2 kickers per lane if there are 2, they must split the lane Ande Rasmussen Sent from my iPhone Her reply: Thanks for the feedback, Ande. Unfortunately it's too late to change the wording, as I've already received several entries. But I hope I can clarify this for you. Yes, you can redirect your board. You just can't pull through the water with one arm before you get to a wall. That's what most people would define as "stroking" so I hope it's obvious to everyone. *Good idea on the rest. I'll include it next year. Good luck! Marcia

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habu987 — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 02:44:00 GMT

All flutter kick with a board in a 25y pool: 2x25 on :25 2x50 on :50 2x75 on 1:15 2x100 on 1:40 2x125 on 2:05 2x150 on 2:30 2x175 on 2:55 2x200 on 3:20 Wasn't very impressed with how I did. I was trying to hold a 1:30 pace or faster per 100, but started slipping on the second 150. Held a 1:34/1:35 pace for the rest of the set. I'm a far cry from my old 1000 kick for time average pace of 1:27!!

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__steve__ — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 02:01:49 GMT

What did you do in practice today? 1x500m warm-up Flutter kick (boardless, snorkel) 20x25m on 1:00 30 minutes Not sure what type of kick set this is - lactate production maybe? I also have no idear what distance this workout will help me with. Nevertheless, the first few were about 90% effort to the wall. But then-on it started feeling like 95% and furthermore my legs filled up with lead on last 5m of each one making the final bit feel like 100%. If I did 25m for time it would be about 18 high (no board) I will do a speedy one tomorrow like 10 second balls to the walls

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Former Member — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:45:05 GMT

What did you do in practice today? 8x25m on :30 interval 1,3,5,7 on back 8 hard SDK, then streamline surfaced flutter on back 2,4,6,8 on front 8 hard SDK then streamline surfaced flutter on front I've found that for me it's equally important to work hard SDK on front AND back. I tend to put more emphasis on whatever is the downward beat of the kick. :) My workout was only 800m total today as a cooldown after the weight room.

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That Guy — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:18:15 GMT

Swimmers who change age groups during the event may enter and pay twice, but must kick the event twice, once in each age group. What if I begin kicking at 11:58pm right before my birthday begins at midnight, thus completing it at a different age than when I began? What if two twins, who were born 6 minutes apart, begin kicking at ok I'll stop now

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__steve__ — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:12:16 GMT

I believe it means to keep both hands on board at all times except for turns, where one hand can catch and push off the wall