suffering

RE: suffering

Former Member — Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:01:38 GMT

The poll was inspired by a new swimmer, and self described Couch-Potato BBQ Maniac. He told me he wants to "swim fast", but without "suffering." ;)

RE: suffering

Former Member — Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:59:35 GMT

I came up with an 80% effort as a good threshold for discomfort (maybe not suffering) Say you're 100 free time is :50.0 The formula would be: 5 x 100 (10 seconds slower than 100 free time equals 80% effort) w/30 seconds rest. or 5 x 100 (minute repeats) on a 1:30 interval If you're 100 free time is a minute... 5 x 100 (@ 80% effort = 1:12 repeats) on a 1:42 interval (30 seconds rest)

RE: suffering

Former Member — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:38:23 GMT

It's your judgment of pain (1-10) when your 'perceived effort' is fast. I'm not asking about heart rate training.

RE: suffering

Former Member — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:34:56 GMT

In general I'd say I push it to about 7-8. We did a set of descending 100's this morning and the final 100 was probably a little more.

RE: suffering

knelson — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:46:16 GMT

RE: suffering

Former Member — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:06:57 GMT

Really can't be answered without quantifying "fast" pace. If I say race pace 100 time + 10-15 sec is "fast" but I can just about moderate cruise that as far as effort is concerned... which seems what I'd perceive to be true, then only 5 x that effort with 30 sec rest seems like next to no effort to me. I rated it a 2 for suffering. 8-10 of them or only 15 sec rest and I'd move that number higher.

RE: suffering

__steve__ — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:37:07 GMT

Since few (if any) of my paces are fast, my resulting units of agony on a scale 1 - 100 would be like this: For 5 X 100 with 0:30 rest at a 50 race pace a 100 race pace a 200 race pace a 400 race pace Note: Stated pace does not reflect actual pace done in a race respective to the pace, it reflects equivalent level of effort for the pace during each 100

RE: suffering

Former Member — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:08:24 GMT

I make an effort to suffer in all my workouts. You or your swimmers by showing up?

RE: suffering

Debugger — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:38:24 GMT

How much do you suffer during a set of 5 x 100 :30 rest at a fast pace? (perceived effort) What do you mean by fast pace? Better write in % of the MHR (max heart rate). It really depends: if the fast pace is 80-85% MHR or under anaerobic threshold then it would be quite fine or 6-7, but 90-95% would be unbearable - 10 (I'm not sure I would complete 10 reps with so small rest :bolt:).

RE: suffering

orca1946 — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 06:55:45 GMT

I would really like 30 rest !!! We do that on 15 & YES a level 8 of pain/suffer happens!

RE: suffering

aquageek — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 04:11:37 GMT

I make an effort to suffer in all my workouts.

RE: suffering

jaadams1 — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:40:55 GMT

Where's the option for 11? I try to go to 11. Actually I voted for 8. With 30 seconds rest I think about the best you can hope for is about 500 pace (at least for me) if you want to keep all the swims close to the same time. About the same for me. Last night one of my sets was 5 x 100 Free @ 2:00 holding best average. I was 1:00-1:02s on these, mainly 1:00s & 1:01s. Cutting the rest down to ~:30 or a 1:30 interval I'd be lucky to hold 1:03-1:05s for the set without hurting too badly.