mile Swim SCY - what is your headset

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aquageek — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:02:00 GMT

I put my mind black and think of nothing except each stroke. Then, at the 1000 I wonder if I get out if anyone will notice. At the 1500 I just wonder why each lap takes so long and if I'm already dead and in hell.

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badrunnergoodswimmer — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:25:10 GMT

So much for all the good advice. Yesterday, we had the build up swim. It was 1000 yards. I was solid for the first 400.Then, for some unexplainable reason, I decided that pacing was not for me. I became oxygen deprived, miserable and ground out the remaining 600. No fun. What a knucklehead. It was 14:00. Will need to think more, next Tuesday.

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Former Member — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:27:55 GMT

I swam a 1500 this weekend, so let me tell you what really went through my head: Somewhere between the 500 and 700 Maybe I should've taken Katie up on her offer to count for me At the finish Thank you, Kurt, for swimming in the 1st heat so that my decline in pace, form and function over the race was not noticeable when compared to your beautiful, perfectly even split race. I had you at the 200, man :bow: I was thinking, PWB can count for himself? That guy must be some kind of genius. 2-3-4-4-6-8-9-9-Thank God PWB is counting for me. And at the 1000m mark (or so), bell rings, @#%!& sandbagging Kurt Dickson!

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Bill Sive — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:38:50 GMT

When I swim a 1650 or a 1500 I clear my mind. No thoughts of any kind. During most of the swim I close my eyes. I do not count my arms strokes, I just kind of sense when I need to open my eyes to do my turns. Just get in, swim, feel it, own it. Don't think it. I did a 9000 meter and 5500 meter swim earlier this year in this same manner.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:25:08 GMT

I swam a 1500 this weekend, so let me tell you what really went through my head: 1st 500 Dang, I'm hitting my stroke count perfectly Breathing feels awesome and legs are the perfect amount of lightness I don't know why people moan about this race ... it's sublime Somewhere between the 500 and 700 Maybe I should've taken Katie up on her offer to count for me I wish it wasn't so sunny so that I could see the pace clock and then I could figure out where I am in the race Oh crap! I'm supposed to be counting my strokes. Focus, man, focus Precisely at the 750 Mother of god, why didn't I do any situps, crunches or core work this fall? These turns are starting to hurt. Oh crud, my stroke count is now 15 800 Man, it was fun last year when I swam the 1500, but just did an 800 split request and got to loaf at this point Why is my stroke count already 16? Well, at least the guy next to me has a counter and I can see where I am. Oh, damn, that means I still have 700 to go. Over the next 300 Better start breathing more. Didn't Gary Hall Senior once promote a breathing pattern where you breathed at some point every stroke? If it's good enough once in a while, why not breathe whenever the h*** I feel like? While I'm at it, let's try practically rolling onto our back for a huge gulp of air on that last breath into the turn. At the 1300 Yes, I will finish ... I think ... Let's count our strokes again ... oh my god, 18? Better conserve whatever energy I have so I can actually use my legs on the last 100. At the finish All that pain for a lousy 1 second drop? I am never doing this stupid, stupid race again. How can a 1500 pool swim hurt so much more than a 4K open water swim? I am not swimming any more freestyle today. Thank you, Kurt, for swimming in the 1st heat so that my decline in pace, form and function over the race was not noticeable when compared to your beautiful, perfectly even split race. I had you at the 200, man :bow: 30 minutes after the finish and cool-down (done backstroke & breaststroke) when talking with my coach I didn't realize half the things I need to work on. Dang! He's got some good pointers. Maybe, just maybe, if I work on those, I could swim a better race next year ;)

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smontanaro — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:09:23 GMT

That's okay, Jim. As long as you're nobody's accountant. :D

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jim thornton — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:28:08 GMT

yikes! i meant 11 x 150's! thanks for spotting my math error!

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knelson — Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:24:15 GMT

Penultimate thought: a 1650 is also 10 x 150s. What a slacker. Do you always skip yardage like this? This really throws your GTD mileage total into doubt. :D

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jim thornton — Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:29:32 GMT

I attempted a Davis Mile of butterfly recently, but I stopped after the 225. It's a serious test of will. One day I will do it. TG: I just posted a comment recommending, in part, playing the 1812 Overture in your head. (A reviewer on the YouTube link I posted said, "Ahh my favorite instrument: Field artillery.") Anyhow, I read your post right after posting mine, and I was convinced you had written about your attempt to swim a Miles Davis butterfly mile. I think it would throw off any hope I might have for sustaining a sane pace. Miles Davis: Walkin' - YouTube

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jim thornton — Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:22:42 GMT

One of my first masters coaches gave our team a little talk on sports psychology. He said that when you are swimming, periodically tell yourself, "I feel good! I feel strong!" I immediately switched to this from my regular mental chatter, which was, "I feel weak, I feel sick." I must say, it helps a little, even when you know you are lying to yourself! I feel good, I feel strong indeed! Another thing you might consider: Listen to Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture a couple times before the swim, and when you need a burst of energy, mentally replay it in your head (especially the canons at the end)! Piotr Ilich Tchaikovsky - 1812 Overture (Finale) - YouTube Penultimate thought: a 1650 is also 10 x 150s. This isn't a bad way to count! Final summing up: Feel good, feel strong (even if you don't.) Imagine a crescendo of military canons. Count by 150s. And try your best to pace intelligently so that you don't become, well, canon fodder.

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That Guy — Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:15:56 GMT

You haven't seen that before??? It's fun to do with the 10,8,6,4,2 lengths fly, with free on the 11,9,7,5,3,1 lengths. :) I attempted a Davis Mile of butterfly recently, but I stopped after the 225. It's a serious test of will. One day I will do it.

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badrunnergoodswimmer — Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:51:32 GMT

thanks. good info

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Former Member — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:34:34 GMT

What should I be thinking about during the swim? I've had my best distance swims when I wasn't thinking at all. This assumes, of course, that you have a counter.

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Former Member — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:52:21 GMT

I usually think about how bad of an idea all the beer was the night before. And this... And turns – focus on clean efficient turns; work it off each wall with a tight streamline, then smoothly transition into your stroke.

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knelson — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:21:20 GMT

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jaadams1 — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:21:08 GMT

I love that idea and am totally "borrowing" it for a HVT broken mile set. You haven't seen that before??? It's fun to do with the 10,8,6,4,2 lengths fly, with free on the 11,9,7,5,3,1 lengths. :)

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jaadams1 — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:17:20 GMT

Rob's right about turns. Get as much distance as you can. If you don't want to kick much off the walls that's fine, but be sure to get a good pushoff and streamline. The less actual swimming the better! This is exactly what I do (well, my streamlines could be better), but I don't really kick any off the walls, saving the energy for the swim portion. I consider my turns to be fast though, getting into and out of the wall fast, and past the flags as well.

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Rob Copeland — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:58:26 GMT

Stroke count, kick and breathing.And turns – focus on clean efficient turns; work it off each wall with a tight streamline, then smoothly transition into your stroke.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:49:27 GMT

What should I be thinking about during the swim?Stroke count, kick and breathing. Stroke count: After the first 100, settle into a consistent stroke count per lap for the next 900 ... allow yourself 1 extra stroke per lap (SPL) on the next 300/400 and then 1 more SPL for the last 300 or so. Kick: Keep the legs light and connected to your hip rotation for the first 1200-1350, then gradually build to a 6 beat kick by the finish. Breathing: breathe early and breathe often.

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Former Member — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:47:08 GMT

I love that idea and am totally "borrowing" it for a HVT broken mile set. I've seen that called the Davis mile, with 10 seconds rest rather than 5. Yes, here is where I saw that: www.usmsswimmer.com/.../distancetraining.php (It was going to drive me nuts if I didn't find the citation... :))

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Chris Stevenson — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:45:49 GMT

1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 - 20 - 21 - 22 - 23 - 24 - 25 - 26 - 27 - 28 - 29 - 30 - 31 - 32 - 33 - 34 - 35 - 36 - 37 - 38 - 39 - 40 - 41 - 42 - 43 - 44 - 45 - 46 - 47 - 48 - 49 - 50 - 51 - 52 - 53 - 54 - 55 - 56 - 57 - 58 - 59 - 60 - 61 - 62 - 63 - 64 - 65 - 66 Stroke count: After the first 100, settle into a consistent stroke count per lap for the next 900 ... allow yourself 1 extra stroke per lap (SPL) on the next 300/400 and then 1 more SPL for the last 300 or so. So apparently it involves a lot of counting, possibly to distract you from the growing agony. WHO SAYS distance swimming is boring?

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Patrick W. Brundage — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:43:05 GMT

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Rob Copeland — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:21:12 GMT

what should i be thinking about during the swim?1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 - 20 - 21 - 22 - 23 - 24 - 25 - 26 - 27 - 28 - 29 - 30 - 31 - 32 - 33 - 34 - 35 - 36 - 37 - 38 - 39 - 40 - 41 - 42 - 43 - 44 - 45 - 46 - 47 - 48 - 49 - 50 - 51 - 52 - 53 - 54 - 55 - 56 - 57 - 58 - 59 - 60 - 61 - 62 - 63 - 64 - 65 - 66

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magick17 — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 03:58:05 GMT

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Patrick W. Brundage — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 03:41:09 GMT

which reminds me of a broken 1650 we used to do on the Northwestern masters team a few years ago. 275 (11 lengths), rest 5, 250 (10 lengths), rest 5, 225 (9), rest 5, ... 100 (etc), rest 5, 75, rest 5, 50, rest 5, 25 You measure your time, then subtract 50 seconds to get your 1650 time. I love that idea and am totally "borrowing" it for a HVT broken mile set.