Bodysuits on the way back in the UK

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smontanaro — Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:40:32 GMT

Sorry for the late reply. I've been on vacation. I have one basic question. What does "ASA" stand for?

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Former Member — Wed, 17 Oct 2012 07:05:06 GMT

Sorry for the late reply. I've been on vacation. I have one basic question. What does "ASA" stand for? Amateur Swimming Association - Also known as British Swimming. They like to think they are different governing bodies, but they both work at the same head office in Loughborough. They also employ the same members of staff. All very complicated, but that's how the governing body here likes to operate. Smoke and mirrors! Ducking and Diving!

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Former Member — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:00:22 GMT

Since we’re on the subject of the religious and moral aspects of swim suits, here’s my take on the subject. These days, the only thing the main outlets carry in men’s shorts or swim suits is just the long and baggy stuff. So called “jammers” are just a streamlined version of the long and baggy style in men’s swim suits and also “half pants” or “leg veils” that men now wear instead of the short style shorts prior to the 90’s. Despite the pretense of jammers being a supposedly faster swim suit, the real reason seems to be to comply with the current trend of hyper modesty (that anything exposing men’s upper legs is somehow inappropriate) Just Google the phrase “Take off that speedo” and you’ll see where this mess came from.

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Former Member — Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:50:38 GMT

Cute avatar, Quicksilver! :D It's a Ninja kitten who provides inspiration to keep moving. :weightlifter:...one of my older avatars Steve. And since tech suits are no longer, the best thing one can do is to work on their own (tech suit) and stay away from donuts, beer, pizza, cake, ice cream, cookies, and 32 ounce soft drinks. Interestingly the ban may have inspired a new health kick for many people.

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__steve__ — Fri, 12 Oct 2012 06:55:55 GMT

I've seen that cat before, somewhere.

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ddskier63 — Fri, 12 Oct 2012 04:42:29 GMT

I'm with you on giving up all of that... BUT, I'm not staying away from chocolate! :bitching: Without my chocolate, uhhh, you don't even want to know... :afraid::censor: Amen Sista!!!!

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Elaine Krugman — Fri, 12 Oct 2012 01:36:52 GMT

It's a Ninja kitten who provides inspiration to keep moving. :weightlifter:...one of my older avatars Steve. And since tech suits are no longer, the best thing one can do is to work on their own (tech suit) and stay away from donuts, beer, pizza, cake, ice cream, cookies, and 32 ounce soft drinks. Interestingly the ban may have inspired a new health kick for many people. I'm with you on giving up all of that... BUT, I'm not staying away from chocolate! :bitching: Without my chocolate, uhhh, you don't even want to know... :afraid::censor:

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Allen Stark — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:12:19 GMT

The new interpretation clearly says that these suits cannot give an advantage,so no shiny suits.

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Former Member — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:29:29 GMT

From the rule book: 102.12 Swimwear for Pool Competition 102.12.1 Design—The swimsuits worn for competition shall be nontransparent and conform to the current concept of the appropriate. The referee shall have authority to bar offenders from competition until they comply with this rule. A Swimwear shall include only a swimsuit, cap and goggles (a nose clip and ear plugs are allowed). Armbands or legbands shall not be regarded as parts of the swimsuit and are not allowed. B In swimming competitions, the competitor must wear only one swimsuit in one or two pieces. All swimsuits shall be made from textile materials. For men, the swimsuit shall not extend above the navel nor below the knees, and for women, shall not cover the neck, extend past the shoulder nor extend below the knees. C Only swimsuits complying with FINA swimsuit specifications may be worn in any USMS sanctioned or recognized competition. D Exemptions to the foregoing restrictions may be granted to a swimmer, on a case by case basis, by the chair of the Rules Committee or designee. Exemptions will be granted only for conflicts due to the swimmer’s verified religious beliefs or verified medical conditions. (1) Procedures for applying for an exemption will be established by the Rules Committee and posted on the U.S. Masters Swimming website. (2) No exemption to these restrictions will be granted for a swimsuit that will give the swimmer a competitive advantage. (3) The decision of the Rules Committee chair may be appealed only to the entire Rules Committee, whose decision shall be final and binding on all parties. E No swimmer is permitted to wear or use any device or substance to enhance speed, pace, buoyancy or endurance during a race (such as webbed gloves, flippers, fins, etc.). Goggles may be worn, and rubdown oil applied if not considered excessive by the referee. Any kind of tape on the body is not permitted unless approved by the referee.

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knelson — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:18:44 GMT

I'm not big on religious rituals, dress codes, etc., but some people are, and it isn't right to block them from this sport if we can so easily include them. Well said. I agree! These people clearly aren't trying to gain an advantage.

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Elaine Krugman — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:22:19 GMT

Cute avatar, Quicksilver! :D

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BobBruce — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:12:21 GMT

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that USMS already has an avenue for considering this issue for pool meets (Article 102.12.1D) and for open water events (Article 303.7.2C). The process is different than the British one.

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Former Member — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:29:03 GMT

I'm pretty sure male converts to Pastafarianism are required to wear full body Jaked.

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Former Member — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:48:38 GMT

This doesn't suggest 'open season' for people wear body suits. We have a large Islamic population in the UK and the ASA has a responsibility to improve inclusion and diversity in swimming participation. The swimsuit rules are a barrier to participation for practicing female muslims. One of the side products of the body suits era is that countries that had previously not competed in swimming competition at international level, that were predominantly Islamic, started to enter female competitors. This is a good thing for the sport. I'd agree that at the top level of the sport it could cause controversy, but at the grass roots competitive level is positive.

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knelson — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:47:20 GMT

I've seen this at meets in the U.S., too so I think USA Swimming must also have this provision.

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Elaine Krugman — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:37:34 GMT

Just in case anybody out there misunderstood, I was referring to Rob Copeland's avatar of the shark. It's gone missing! :bouncing: :bitching: :cry:

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Former Member — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:05:12 GMT

Sorry !!! I'm not buying the "religion" thing for them!!! What's to buy? Bodysuits allow muslim women to swim and observe their religious code. Without bodysuits they have to make a choice that they may not feel that they can make. Or are you simply saying that they can take it or leave it (swimming) as far as you are concerned?

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Former Member — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:34:28 GMT

Oh Gawd I hope not. I wonder if Speedo, Tyr, Nike, etc. are behind this scheme which is disguised as a form of "religious" accommodation. :afraid: :badday: :worms: D2

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Sojerz — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:13:28 GMT

Bring back the shark, Rob! :bouncing: :banana: :cheerleader: LOL. Men and women have been swimming in all sorts of garb (or without any) for as long as recorded history. Swim wear has been in a continuous state of evolution. In the early part of the century women swam in what looked more like night gowns or dresses with pantaloons, and i think Ben Franklin swam in the Thames during the revolutionary war and was probably in his birthday suit. I'm not big on religious rituals, dress codes, etc., but some people are, and it isn't right to block them from this sport if we can so easily include them. Time to continue evolving.

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Sportygeek — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 06:19:21 GMT

"Bodysuits" and "full body technical race suits" are not synonymous. Google eg "Muslim swimwear" or "Islamic swimwear". Bodysuits designed for Muslim women are loose, often to the point that they're effectively drag suits. No tech materials, and no, strict Muslim women would not size down. Tell me how that advantages them in a race, again?

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__steve__ — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 05:46:35 GMT

That's my kind of religion

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Elaine Krugman — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 05:39:52 GMT

Bring back the shark, Rob! :bouncing: :banana: :cheerleader:

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Rob Copeland — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 05:24:44 GMT

What's to buy?I assume Mr. Osborne isn’t buying the Muslim women swimsuit. Mainly, because I don’t believe he is either Muslim or a woman.:bolt:

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orca1946 — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:51:23 GMT

Sorry !!! I'm not buying the "religion" thing for them!!!