Women's 400 IM

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Former Member — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:04:06 GMT

2 or 3 caps must hold extra air. The hair management feature???

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orca1946 — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:51:53 GMT

Better masking agents ??

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Former Member — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:27:25 GMT

I Like what I saw, great stroke, great finish. Leave the girl alone doubting Thomases. +1

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Former Member — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:43:35 GMT

I Like what I saw, great stroke, great finish. Leave the girl alone doubting Thomases.

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knelson — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:53:03 GMT

The one cap looked to me as a neoprene cap that I used for training in cold water. It's not neoprene, George. These are the new caps--sorry "hair management systems"--Speedo is promoting as part of their Fastskin 3 "System." www.speedousa.com/.../index.jsp

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Former Member — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:22:57 GMT

Maybe it's a new strategy the Chinese team is adopting, to conserve energy for the last 50m? The same thing happened in the women's 200m fly when Jiao Liuyang dramatically overtook Garcia in the last 50m.

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__steve__ — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:17:51 GMT

I'm closing it as clean because we will never know

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Chris Stevenson — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 03:58:21 GMT

If people want to accuse Ye, might as well accuse Dana Torres. Yeah, like THAT would ever happen. :) Dara Torres-Amazing - U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums

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knelson — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 03:56:00 GMT

If people want to accuse Ye, might as well accuse Dana Torres. It's Dara, and she's probably the most accused swimmer in the history of the sport.

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taruky — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 03:53:20 GMT

I Like what I saw, great stroke, great finish. Leave the girl alone doubting Thomases. +2 There have been other swimmers with precipitous drops in time, and older than 16 at that. If people want to accuse Ye, might as well accuse Dana Torres.

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:07:06 GMT

Records are broken all the time, and as time passes "phenom" performances become the norm. How long will this 400 IM record last? I'll bet it doesn't hold up as long as those of Janet Evans and Mary Meagher.

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:52:48 GMT

I am wondering I saw one swimmer with three bathing caps is it possible they were using these to help their bouyancy. The one cap looked to me as a neoprene cap that I used for training in cold water.

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:48:05 GMT

Is there a possibility of an adulterated suit advantage? I think the suits are bar coded and inspected in the ready room

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:55:25 GMT

she's dropping time like an age grouper! oh wait :)

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:50:28 GMT

Her splits from Shanghai: 30.12 33.77 35.45 34.71 39.38 40.02 31.82 29.88 Her splits from London: 28.85 33.34 35.34 34.20 38.80 39.22 29.75 28.93

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:19:25 GMT

I agree with this statement and Lochte's split was not that good in comparison to the other 3 legs of the race. Here are two point to prove this. His first 300 meters was the best in swimming history. He was 3:06.5 at the 300 mark and was .55 seconds ahead of the WR by Phelps and his split at the 300 mark was 3:07.15 and if he would have swam his 2008 race he would have ran down Lochte on the final 50. I remember seeing the line go away from Lochte on the last 50. I am not trying to downgrade the swim because I don't know what his strategy was but I know that it was by far the fastest he ever has swam for the first 300 and maybe he wanted to get so far ahead that he would demoralize the field. He might have been shutting down or just plain died but still won by the largest margin and it was all in that first 300. Phelps split a :56.79 and I believe that is the fastest split ever compared to the 58.6 split by Lochte. Now this is where it gets interesting. Tamas Darnyi swam a 57.60 24 years ago at the 1992 Olympics for his last 100 split and he was 3:16.63 at the 300 mark and swam a time of 4:14.23 and that time is 9 seconds slower than what Lochte did. Another example is Tom Dolan at the 1994 World Championships. He swam a 57.66 for his last 100 split and he was 3:14.86 at the 300 mark and swam at time of 4:12.30 and that is 7 seconds slower than what Lochte did. I remembered Darnyi's swim because he would have out split half of the field in the 400 Free and this was talked about a lot back 20 years ago so this is not that unusual. Lochte is by far the best 300 IM mark swimmer of all time and this includes tech suits. However, he did not get the WR because of that last 100. In 1984, Alex Baumann swam a 58.28 on his last 100 of the 400 IM at the 1984 Olympics in a WR time of 4:17.53 and that is still faster than what Lochte did and that was 28 years ago. The point in this is you can't compare splits because everyone swims this event differently. Because I was interested in this I found that almost half of the 100 free splits in the 400 IM at past World Championships and Olympic Games were faster than 58.6 Interesting- I didn't know this. Thanks for putting this analysis together.

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__steve__ — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 08:37:06 GMT

Is there a possibility of an adulterated suit advantage?

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lucyj — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 08:08:34 GMT

With their grueling training, Olympic athletes can swim numerous/back to back events. I don't find this suspicious. They recover quickly. I find it much more suspicious to not be even a clear medal favorite, smash your PR, smash the tech suit WR and come back in the last 100 in 58+. Also quite odd that she is not in the 400 free or other freestyle events. :shakeshead:I posted the following last night under "NEWS" at http://www.iswimcoach.net... Ye Shiwen for real??? Yesterday and today , Ross Tucker, Ph.D., The Science of Sport (Republic of South Africa), www.sportsscientists.com/, published two articles which included lengthy comments regarding the questions about Ye Shiwen's performance in the Women's 400 IM. In the article yesterday, he discusses, among other things, the physiology of being able to finish that race faster than Ryan Lochte over the last 50. In today's article, he expands on his thoughts from yesterday, and also quotes comments from John Leonard, Executive Director of the American Swim Coaches Association. Tucker (and many others) have questioned Ye Shiwen's ability to swim a 58.68 last 100 free in the 400 IM, and state that it certainly raises suspicions. She shouldn't automatically be considered guilty, but her performance should certainly be examined. How can someone who was about 23 seconds slower than Ryan Lochte over the first 300 meters of the 400 IM then swim just .03 slower for just the last 100? Here are the links to the two blog entries from Tucker. What are your thoughts? July 30: www.sportsscientists.com/search July 31: www.sportsscientists.com/.../london-2012-day-3-thoughts.html

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That Guy — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:54:21 GMT

she's dropping time like an age grouper! oh wait

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Chris Stevenson — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:19:03 GMT

From what I can tell, other links about the 400 IM seem to posit doping, so I'll post this one.

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Former Member — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:33:31 GMT

I am sure they are not using rectal air injection like the east germans did in the past. They experimented with that, but it never worked. There were issues with, um, sudden loss of buoyancy.

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Former Member — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:19:13 GMT

Is that a serious question? I dunno, ask Ben Johnson and Michelle Smith for further info. The question wasn't if doping makes a difference? The question was if it makes such an enormous difference that it would make her being faster than Lochte totally believable or if it is still hard to believe even if she was all doped up. Btw, I'll ask Lance when I see him:D

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Former Member — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:58:26 GMT

Or Phelps's breathing every stroke in the 200 fly explaining his closing speed. Or Sun Yang breathing two consecutive strokes into the wall AND three consecutive strokes out of the wall. I guess there are indeed different "strokes" for different folks.

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Former Member — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:43:29 GMT

She's also too young and has very little international experience, if any, to have that biological passport that busted those athletes last week, convenient. I wear a tin foil hat also, btw. If Ye Shiwen is too young and has very little international experience, so is/does Missy Franklin. Ye had competed at the same world-level meets (2010 World SC and 2011 World LC) as Franklin prior to this Olympics, in addition to the 2010 Asian Games at age 14. I have no problem with believing a woman can beat a man but, c'mon, swimming faster than Lochte because, according to the Chinese media, she had big hands at age 5 and was referred to a swim coach? How much different is this from US media attributing Franklin's unusually large feet (size 13 uh?) to her swimming prowess?

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Former Member — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:37:49 GMT

Doping does help if they were to get away with it. No US swimmers, track and field or cyclists have ever used doping to do well. (tongue in cheek). They can tell if they are loading up on blood. I am sure they are not using rectal air injection like the east germans did in the past. Can doping actually make THAT much difference? I mean if it's completely unbelievable and out of the question that she swam the last 50 faster than Lochte, how believable is it on drugs?