2012 Fina World Masters Championships

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Midas — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:33:26 GMT

Congrats to my boys Rich Burns, Ken Frost, Greg Tull and Tate Holt of Tamalpais Aquatic Masters for their World Record in the Men's 240-279 200 Medley Relay! Great job guys.

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White Lightning — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:32:46 GMT

Just got an e-mail from Rich Burns. He said the men's 200 free ended at 8:45 pm and there were 220 heats of the 50 fly to go. On top of that, the 50 free is the first event tomorrow. That's a pretty quick turnaround for those swimming both, which would be a common combo I would suspect. Agreed. I had heard the women were finishing early, but wasn't sure about the men, so I came down from Rimini early. Ended up waiting until 10:00 P.M. to swim the 50 fly, struggling all day to find some decent shade to rest. It was fun under the lights with the crowd, but I put up a below average time for me. I decided to bag the 50 free and 50 *** the next day. Opted to enjoy the strand in Rimini before heading back home through the Alps. One of the best swimming decisions I have ever made.

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knelson — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:27:33 GMT

It is better described as elitism. I'm not sure. It sounds like the crawl stroke was finally embraced when Trudgen learned it and coupled it with a scissor kick. So the English finally embraced it when another Englishman started using it.

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Former Member — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:15:19 GMT

I'm hoping there's a mild current in the St Lawrence River in Montreal so we can warm-up swimming in place. Everyone should have plenty of room. Stay upstream of the moose crossing though.

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Elaine Krugman — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:09:53 GMT

I'm hoping there's a mild current in the St Lawrence River in Montreal so we can warm-up swimming in place. Everyone should have plenty of room. Stay upstream of the moose crossing though. :lmao: Awww, Patrick, moose may be mean, but surely you can out swim 'em with that backstroke of yours! :bolt:

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ande — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:45:47 GMT

FINA World Masters Championships: Ten World Records Fall on Days Three and Four -- June 13, 2012 2012 Fina World Masters Championships Riccone, Italy Swimming Schedule: Start Lists & Results

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knelson — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:14:50 GMT

Interesting. The kick is so unnatural, but the arms and lifting your head up to breathe is pretty easy (compared to side to side in free). Breaststroke was the original racing stroke in the Western world. In the Western world, the front crawl was first seen in a swimming race held in 1844 in London, where it was swum by Native North Americans, who easily defeated all the British breaststroke swimmers. However, the English gentlemen considered this style, with its considerable splashing, to be barbarically "un-European". The British continued to swim only the breaststroke in competition. en.wikipedia.org/.../Front_crawl Now that takes balls. You get blown out of the water, but claim the other guy's stroke is barbaric. Ain't racism great?

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gdanner — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:52:40 GMT

I was toldby germans and italians, they learn breaststroke first then free. Interesting. The kick is so unnatural, but the arms and lifting your head up to breathe is pretty easy (compared to side to side in free).

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Former Member — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:46:39 GMT

Wow. That was close. M45-49 100 Fly 1. Andrea ITA. 1:00.18 2. Stevenson USA 1:00.23 3. Unruh USA. 1:00.32 Great swimming!

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ande — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:46:06 GMT

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knelson — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:37:40 GMT

I am in bed by 11. Could not have swam that late Yeah, but 11:00 p.m. in Italy is 5:00 Eastern time and 2:00 Pacific!

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smontanaro — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:32:45 GMT

I have a feeling one difference is the party atmosphere the Italians enjoy. The Italians really know how to swim AND have a good time. All that vacation time doesn't hurt, either. Nothing like a big party to take your mind off your country's/continent's financial problems, if only for a little while... :D Skip

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knelson — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:27:47 GMT

I have mixed feelings about the whole NT thing.My wife had a sore shoulder before Stanford and had a NT. I was upset that it was like she didn't swim.We had a woman in the 80-84 age group who I think finished 3rd and got NT. Yes, that does sort of suck. Perhaps a better way to do it would be to still list the times for all swimmers who finished legally, but put an "X" for their placement. USMS needs to find out what Italy is doing though ,since this much local participation is amazing. Agreed! Hopefully Mr. Butcher is taking notes over there! I have a feeling one difference is the party atmosphere the Italians enjoy. The Italians really know how to swim AND have a good time. All that vacation time doesn't hurt, either. Can you imagine how many more American would make it to Nationals if we all had at least four weeks of paid vacation per year?

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Allen Stark — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:19:18 GMT

I have mixed feelings about the whole NT thing.My wife had a sore shoulder before Stanford and had a NT. I was upset that it was like she didn't swim.We had a woman in the 80-84 age group who I think finished 3rd and got NT. ON the other hand if you have QTs and many swimmers are getting NTs in a huge meet maybe something needs to change. USMS needs to find out what Italy is doing though ,since this much local participation is amazing.

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knelson — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:16:44 GMT

Maybe it's time to remove individual registration and require each country to submit times. For each NT the country would have to show an official result proving the time was met in the past two years or pay a fine? I guess the question is: how many swimmers is too many? I'm sure for the meet hosts it's the more the merrier. They must be rakin' in the dough! And it's a good thing for the meet to make money to ensure the event continues and there's continued interest in hosting the meet.

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swimcat — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:28:40 GMT

I was toldby germans and italians, they learn breaststroke first then free. I think monica coro was an ex national team I am in bed by 11. Could not have swam that late

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Former Member — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:34:34 GMT

I dont care about warmup but then I'm a sprinter (yes, I am) You don't have to convince anyone here what you truly are. The fear of tapering, the addiction to short rest sets, actually capable of swimming a 200... yep definitely a sprinter.

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sunruh — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 06:22:04 GMT

Yes saw an entire heat that was NT or dns Its 12:15pm and they are getting close to finishing the 50 free for men. Thats almost 5 hrs of 50 free Talked with a few from RSA and Peru and Russia this morning at the "other" pool. That was interesting. And the water was very cold to me - 72ish and goosebumps if you stopped

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Water Rat — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 05:42:29 GMT

I'm not surprised. If you're doing a taper travel meet, you need a good back up suit! I have two. :D The B70 obviously worked just as well for Mark as he just took 1.3 seconds off his 50 *** PR.. I just cldnt decide between the two so I took both. The FSR fit much better but the result in the B70 was well ridiculous.

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Water Rat — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 05:39:40 GMT

I have learned to stay out of breastroke events in europe. You wanna win gals go with the 200 fly or distance. Everybody in europe swims breasstroke. Somebody went 1.15 WR. (100 Br) in my age group yesterday. My coaches response was incredulous. That is for sure. I thought I was the only one thinking it. The breaststroke depth is incredible here

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sunruh — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 05:34:34 GMT

No, the meet's over, the last heat swam at about 11pm. Stands were still packed at the end. Realtime updates arent then

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Chris Stevenson — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 05:25:38 GMT

11:20pm and still on the 50 *** No, the meet's over, the last heat swam at about 11pm. Stands were still packed at the end.

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sunruh — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 05:20:35 GMT

11:20pm and still on the 50 ***

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The Fortress — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 05:01:52 GMT

I'm not too surprised your FS 3 ripped. I am somewhat surprised you've got a B70 Nero XII as a backup! I'm not surprised. If you're doing a taper travel meet, you need a good back up suit! I have two. :D The B70 obviously worked just as well for Mark as he just took 1.3 seconds off his 50 *** PR. Mark, no warranty at all on tech suits. Many places won't accept returns at all even if you've just tried it on. Swimcat, Monica Caro's breaststroke times were amazing for a 50 year old.

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Rykno — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 04:39:37 GMT

I just scanned the results and there seems to be a large number of NT (no time) from people not making the qualifying time. Well over 50 men in the 200fr 40-44. That's 10 heats or nearly 30-40 minutes extra for one age group. Maybe it's time to remove individual registration and require each country to submit times. For each NT the country would have to show an official result proving the time was met in the past two years or pay a fine? I know some who just qualified might miss the QT at worlds because training hasn't been going well, sickness or jetlag. But there seems to be a large percent of NTs from Italian swimmers.