First 400 free in several decades

RE: First 400 free in several decades

Former Member — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:07:49 GMT

looks pretty good, maybe drop the hammer even more on your last length (increase your kick) & beat your 1st 50 split. how are your 50, 100, 200 & 800? I think your last 50 faster than your first means you left too much in the tank. If you have that much energy at the end, your total time would have been faster if you worked the middle harder. I haven't swum the other distances yet, but I can assure you my 50, 100 and 200 would be horrible.

RE: First 400 free in several decades

ande — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 03:38:30 GMT

Not very fast yet, but I still remember how to split. Splits Leg Cumulative Subtractive 1 34.63 34.63 2 1:11.64 37.01 3 1:48.75 37.11 4 2:25.88 37.13 5 3:03.04 37.16 6 3:39.66 36.62 7 4:16.08 36.42 8 4:51.57 35.49 www.usms.org/.../swim.php looks pretty good, maybe drop the hammer even more on your last length (increase your kick) & beat your 1st 50 split. how are your 50, 100, 200 & 800?

RE: First 400 free in several decades

Allen Stark — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 01:04:20 GMT

I wonder if breathing all that clear, rain-cleansed air gives you a disadvantage compared to us Californians who toughen up our lungs by having to extract any oxygen through a bunch of airborne particles. Probably. I lived in Houston for 22 yr and there the motto was"I don't trust air I can't see."

RE: First 400 free in several decades

Former Member — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:28:30 GMT

4:45.xx 31.8/36.0 (1:07.8) 36.3/36.5 (1:12.8) (2:20.6) 37.1/36.5 (1:13.6) 36.5/35.2 (1:11.7) Solid effort, but somewhat disappointing after your scm time. www.thatgirlblogsphotography.com/.../gauntlet1.jpg

RE: First 400 free in several decades

jaadams1 — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:42:06 GMT

Solid effort, but somewhat disappointing after your scm time. www.thatgirlblogsphotography.com/.../gauntlet1.jpg I've always been a SCY/SCM swimmer. My walls and turns are pretty good. No matter what throughout most of my career, I've never been able to live up to the conversions from short course into long course. I was happy with the swim, especially given the conditions and my day leading up to it.

RE: First 400 free in several decades

Former Member — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:03:45 GMT

Yes,we get lightheaded on the 3rd floor of a building. I wonder if breathing all that clear, rain-cleansed air gives you a disadvantage compared to us Californians who toughen up our lungs by having to extract any oxygen through a bunch of airborne particles.

RE: First 400 free in several decades

Allen Stark — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 05:22:15 GMT

No, it was in Wenatchee, WA at altitude of about 1100 ft. Which I guess for the Portlanders and Seattleites, that is altitude. :) Yes,we get lightheaded on the 3rd floor of a building.

RE: First 400 free in several decades

Former Member — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 05:07:06 GMT

I've always been a SCY/SCM swimmer. My walls and turns are pretty good. No matter what throughout most of my career, I've never been able to live up to the conversions from short course into long course. I was happy with the swim, especially given the conditions and my day leading up to it. Fair enough. I'm similar, although not due to good turns. I really need the few seconds of rest for my upper body on each wall.

RE: First 400 free in several decades

jaadams1 — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:28:33 GMT

Was that swim at Bend(at altitude?) No, it was in Wenatchee, WA at altitude of about 1100 ft. Which I guess for the Portlanders and Seattleites, that is altitude. :)

RE: First 400 free in several decades

jaadams1 — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:12:56 GMT

Is it a gridge if I get two months (two months where work will prevent you from training) to train after your time is posted? 4:45.xx 31.8/36.0 (1:07.8) 36.3/36.5 (1:12.8) (2:20.6) 37.1/36.5 (1:13.6) 36.5/35.2 (1:11.7)

RE: First 400 free in several decades

Allen Stark — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:07:01 GMT

4:45.xx 31.8/36.0 (1:07.8) 36.3/36.5 (1:12.8) (2:20.6) 37.1/36.5 (1:13.6) 36.5/35.2 (1:11.7) Was that swim at Bend(at altitude?)

RE: First 400 free in several decades

jaadams1 — Thu, 31 May 2012 12:12:55 GMT

I saw you did that SCM 4:25. You're going to blow away that 4:47 LCM. The last time I was in reasonable shape (2009) I did a 5:04 500 which converts to 4:35 LCM. Is it a gridge if I get two months (two months where work will prevent you from training) to train after your time is posted? Sounds good. I'll post a respectable time for sure this weekend. Beat it if you can. :D

RE: First 400 free in several decades

knelson — Thu, 31 May 2012 10:45:02 GMT

What time would you consider "fast" ? 3:40.07

RE: First 400 free in several decades

orca1946 — Thu, 31 May 2012 10:06:37 GMT

What time would you consider "fast" ? Nice pace to get those splits!

RE: First 400 free in several decades

jaadams1 — Thu, 31 May 2012 01:09:26 GMT

What time would you consider "fast" ? Nice pace to get those splits! 3:40.07 :) I'm sure that's WR time or so. I'd be happy with 1:00 slower than that this weekend.

RE: First 400 free in several decades

Former Member — Wed, 30 May 2012 15:27:43 GMT

Plan to ;) ...went a 4:25 in SCM 400 Free 2 weeks ago in British Columbia. Supposedly the online converter says that's something like a 4:34 in LCM! I've only been 4:47 as a masters swimmer. We'll see what happens! I saw you did that SCM 4:25. You're going to blow away that 4:47 LCM. The last time I was in reasonable shape (2009) I did a 5:04 500 which converts to 4:35 LCM. Is it a gridge if I get two months (two months where work will prevent you from training) to train after your time is posted?

RE: First 400 free in several decades

Former Member — Wed, 30 May 2012 12:21:42 GMT

I have to agree. I'll be swimming my LCM 400 Free on Saturday night, and I can almost guarantee that I will NOT split my 400 that well, especially in LCM. Throw down a good time for me to shoot for by the end of the summer.

RE: First 400 free in several decades

jaadams1 — Wed, 30 May 2012 10:24:07 GMT

Throw down a good time for me to shoot for by the end of the summer. Plan to ;) ...went a 4:25 in SCM 400 Free 2 weeks ago in British Columbia. Supposedly the online converter says that's something like a 4:34 in LCM! I've only been 4:47 as a masters swimmer. We'll see what happens!

RE: First 400 free in several decades

thrasher — Wed, 30 May 2012 08:21:22 GMT

I would argue that a 4:51 in the 400m fresstyle is indeed a very fast time for a Masters swimmer. Good time, great splits. :applaud:

RE: First 400 free in several decades

jaadams1 — Wed, 30 May 2012 07:35:35 GMT

I have to agree. I'll be swimming my LCM 400 Free on Saturday night, and I can almost guarantee that I will NOT split my 400 that well, especially in LCM.

RE: First 400 free in several decades

That Guy — Wed, 30 May 2012 01:26:18 GMT

Not very fast yet, but I still remember how to split. Splits Leg Cumulative Subtractive 1 34.63 34.63 2 1:11.64 37.01 3 1:48.75 37.11 4 2:25.88 37.13 5 3:03.04 37.16 6 3:39.66 36.62 7 4:16.08 36.42 8 4:51.57 35.49 www.usms.org/.../swim.php Good job! And yes, that is very good splitting. :applaud: