Science of Swimming

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__steve__ — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 07:36:28 GMT

Full perspective of MP, 200 anchor: An unusual perspective - YouTube Turns with left shoulder down, 1st pull with left hand, and then breathes right.

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orca1946 — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 02:23:49 GMT

I still see swimmers trying high elbow or straight arm recovery . Any data on which of these is quickest??? or best for shoulders ??

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Former Member — Wed, 06 Jun 2012 05:17:09 GMT

Ande, I’m so glad you started this topic. There is nothing more important to the future of swimming than how we apply the many innovations supported by science. The International Society of Swimming Coaching was recently founded with the express mission of integrating science into coaching. If you are a coach, I encourage you to join and become an active member - http://www.isosc.org/ There is no membership fee. Rod Havriluk Swimming Technology Research By the way, Jim Miller also co-authored a paper on shoulder injuries.

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__steve__ — Wed, 30 May 2012 12:55:56 GMT

Unfortunately the only reasonable method to measure is with a side view moving clip, about 5m out, slightly forward and below (or something). Maybe the person shooting wears a monofin, taking care not to transfer any undulation to the footage.

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Kevin in MD — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:24:32 GMT

I'm afraid I won't answer your question but rather reframe it. What's early? What specifically do you mean by early? I'll put forth that until you can tell yourself unequivocally what "early" means in this context your question is meaningless. Also, once you set out your own definition of what "early" means you then need a way to measure whether or not you are attaining it. Unless you have a very clear definition and also a means to measure whether or not your are attaining it, then there's no way to even begin to answer the question. Depending on one's definition of early, you may be doing it already. Unfortunately for you, and all of us really; the people who write about early vertical forearm never tell us exactly what they mean in objective measurable terms. Another thing you'll never see is real data showing that a person who switches to that style is faster after switching.

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Former Member — Wed, 30 May 2012 05:36:48 GMT

I've been experimenting with this, as you know! HIT vs HV: www.pponline.co.uk/.../swimming-training-why-high-intensity-training-is-more-productive-for-swimmers-than-high-volume-training-213 I definitely think HIT is the way to go. Especially for masters where the benefits of High Volume are even less.

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__steve__ — Tue, 29 May 2012 09:25:56 GMT

Blood flow resistance training. Kinda funny, but might make a good excuse to wear your tech suits to workouts. www.swimmingscience.net/.../blood-flow-resistance-training.html

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The Fortress — Sat, 26 May 2012 07:49:28 GMT

This is interesting article on training energy systems and short distance training. coachsci.sdsu.edu/.../energy39.pdf I've been experimenting with this, as you know! HIT vs HV: www.pponline.co.uk/.../swimming-training-why-high-intensity-training-is-more-productive-for-swimmers-than-high-volume-training-213

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Former Member — Wed, 23 May 2012 16:37:47 GMT

The Correct Way To Paddle

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Former Member — Wed, 23 May 2012 15:48:39 GMT

This is interesting article on training energy systems and short distance training. coachsci.sdsu.edu/.../energy39.pdf

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Former Member — Wed, 23 May 2012 15:35:54 GMT

There is very little scientific research on swimming. Studies tend to be poorly designed with small samples. Most concepts are borrowed from studies on cycling and running.

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Allen Stark — Wed, 23 May 2012 11:55:10 GMT

This has a wealth of information,some better than others. coachsci.sdsu.edu/.../index.htm

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no200fly — Wed, 23 May 2012 11:01:45 GMT

I posted this in a previous thread, but I will include it here also. This is a good power point presentation on lactate clearance by Genadijus Sokolovas. www.powershow.com/.../Understanding_Lactate_Clearance_flash_ppt_presentation If you do a google search you can find a copy of the presentation that you can download - I couldn't figure out how to include that link here.

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Stevepowell — Wed, 23 May 2012 09:34:05 GMT

This appears to study the effect of Lag Time or catchup stroke. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../10683100 This mentions that a good kick modifies the arm trajectory. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../10453920 If someone is able to see the full text, it may be interesting...

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Former Member — Wed, 23 May 2012 09:05:05 GMT

How long does it take to learn a new technique in swimming? It can take up to a 100,000 yards to start picking up on a new technique. This may be swimming folklore, but I heard it through a very well known coach. In the case of a masters swimmer this may make even more sense in that it could take a month (or longer) to reach that kind of yardage versus a a college or high schooler who may cover that distance in ten to fourteen days.

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Former Member — Wed, 23 May 2012 05:53:41 GMT

It seems obvious you would take two groups, have one group work on some new aspect, then retest in 6 weeks and see if the groups differ in how much their performances change. How long does it take to learn a new technique in swimming? I have been working on my EVF for more than six weeks, and it seems to be getting better, but it isn't quite there yet. Specifically in the last six weeks when I have been focusing on making changes to my body position to allow an earlier catch, I have actually gotten slower. Am I on the wrong track?

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Kevin in MD — Tue, 22 May 2012 03:44:28 GMT

When it comes to swimming science, I am always surprised by how little actual research is done on swim technique and the superiority of one method over another. It seems obvious you would take two groups, have one group work on some new aspect, then retest in 6 weeks and see if the groups differ in how much their performances change. But I haven't seen one study of that sort, and I've looked a bit. There are a few biomechanics papers that do that but they all seem to be very short term, like 30 minutes trying to make a change; or they are cross sectional. Here is one of the few papers I have found that actually show a real difference in technique in faster swimmers. w4.ub.uni-konstanz.de/.../1819 Whenever I do presentations or even on deck, I remind people that instructors who say that one style of swimming is superior to another are just pulling it out of their asses and telling you what they THINK is better. That includes me, I am prefectly willing to say that I am teaching them what I think is the best way to swim but there is not a lick of published data that backs up my claims. On the other hand, the physiology end of things seems to be more researched.