2012 Div 1 NCAAs

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knelson — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 01:44:33 GMT

I added more photos from Saturday night to my set on Flickr. Check 'em out! www.flickr.com/.../

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Midas — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:09:00 GMT

What strange hormones are they putting in collegiate waters these days? Unbelievable times. It makes you feel like you are from a separate and decidedly inferior species. It took these guys less time than expected to overcome the tech suits. Bodes well for some new records in London...

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james lucas — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 02:22:03 GMT

Any NCAA coach who wants his team to place has to get sprinters. They have very few scholarships to give. Get guys who can do 50-100 free or stroke. Train them hard so some of them can do 200 stroke. It looks like, this year, Cal gained an edge in the stroke events. For example, four kids from Cal scored in the 200 IM and 100 ***; three Cal swimmers scored in the 200 ***, 100 back and the 100 and 200 fly. It's been said that, in Div. III, the team that owned the 200 free was best positioned to win the national meet. But this year in Div. I - and maybe Div. III - you couldn't win with a one-dimensional team that skewed toward either sprint free or 200 free: Cal out-scored Texas in the meet, 535-491. It had a narrow advantage in the 50 free, 21-20 points, and won the 200 free relay. But Texas won the 200 free (20-12), and beat Cal in the 400 free relay and the 800 free relay (6:15.55 for Texas to Cal’s 6:15.70). Meanwhile, in Div. III, the winning team dominated, among other events, backstroke and diving - but not the sprint free. The sprints were won by the second-place team: Kenyon's men set Div. III records in the 200 and 400 free relays, won the 200 medley, placed first and second in the 50 free and out-scored meet-winning Denison in the 100 free by 76 to 11 (plenty of sprint records without tech suits!). The 200 free, however, belonged to Denison, which won the 800 free relay (6:30.40, a Div. III record, with Kenyon at 6:31.78) and placed three kids in the top eight in the 200 free (a Kenyon sprinter, who went :19.38 in the 50, led the 200 at the 150-yard mark but slipped into third place behind a rare first-place tie): Name Year School Prelims Finals Points ========================================================================= === Championship Final === 1 Degayner, Jordan SR COLORADO COLL...1:38.70 1:37.51 18.5 23.02 47.55 (24.53) 1:12.55 (25.00) 1:37.51 (24.96) 1 Harp, Tyler SR U REDLANDS...........1:37.69 1:37.51 18.5 22.59 47.07 (24.48) 1:12.16 (25.09) 1:37.51 (25.35) 3 Turk, Zachary SR KENYON.............1:38.90 1:37.66 16 21.47 45.75 (24.28)1:11.14 (25.39) 1:37.66 (26.52) 4 Chabot, Sean SO DENISON.............1:38.16 1:37.72 15 22.98 47.72 (24.74)1:12.54 (24.82) 1:37.72 (25.18) 5 Maciel, Carlos SO DENISON...........1:38.91 1:39.26 14 23.52 49.34 (25.82)1:14.20 (24.86) 1:39.26 (25.06) 6 Vieth, Thomas JR WILLIAMS............1:38.81 1:39.44 13 23.59 48.82 (25.23)1:14.12 (25.30) 1:39.44 (25.32) 7 Fronk, Spencer SO DENISON............1:39.04 1:39.57 12 23.33 48.64 (25.31)1:14.03 (25.39) 1:39.57 (25.54) It seems that the winning combination - sprinters or stroke or mid-distance swimmers - can change from one meet to the next (and it all makes you wonder if tech suits ever really did have the effect that was advertised) ...

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Former Member — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:53:42 GMT

Rowdy Gaines is still awful. There must be at least one famous swimmer out there who can speak clearly into a microphone instead of repetitively jabbering about how various unimportant things are "so important."

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That Guy — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:51:42 GMT

Not likely. Since the addition of the NCAA 200 relays, US distance swimming is doomed to eternal negligence. Any NCAA coach who wants his team to place has to get sprinters. They have very few scholarships to give. Get guys who can do 50-100 free or stroke. Train them hard so some of them can do 200 stroke. Cal won tonight. Finalists they had in 200-500-1650forums.usms.org/.../BsAt4ube4GblQIAAAAASUVORK5CYII= free and 400 IM? One Not to take anything away from La Tourette, but he's a two-event swimmer in terms of scoring potential. He was third in the 500, second in the 1650, DFL in the 4IM, and was not on any relays. Swimmers like Tom Shields and David Nolan are far more valuable to their teams because of their versatility (and, ok, also because of their speedy speedy speed speed :D).

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jaadams1 — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:29:05 GMT

That was an epic 1650. And there were no commercial breaks during the race on ESPN3! Event 15 Men 1650 Yard Freestyle ========================================================================= Championship: C 14:26.62 3/24/2001 Chris Thompson, Michigan American: A 14:26.62 3/24/2001 Chris Thompson, Michigan U. S. Open: O 14:26.62 3/24/2001 Chris Thompson, Michigan Name Year School Seed Finals Points ========================================================================= 1 *Martin Grodzki JR Georgia 14:48.26 14:24.08C 20 r:+0.72 24.08 49.89 (25.81) 1:16.14 (26.25) 1:42.47 (26.33) 2:08.97 (26.50) 2:35.45 (26.48) 3:01.91 (26.46) 3:28.24 (26.33) 3:54.52 (26.28) 4:20.70 (26.18) 4:46.93 (26.23) 5:13.24 (26.31) 5:39.52 (26.28) 6:05.78 (26.26) 6:32.19 (26.41) 6:58.61 (26.42) 7:25.04 (26.43) 7:51.47 (26.43) 8:18.07 (26.60) 8:44.52 (26.45) 9:11.00 (26.48) 9:37.41 (26.41) 10:03.75 (26.34) 10:29.96 (26.21) 10:56.35 (26.39) 11:22.79 (26.44) 11:49.06 (26.27) 12:15.04 (25.98) 12:41.06 (26.02) 13:07.07 (26.01) 13:33.13 (26.06) 13:59.12 (25.99) 14:24.08 (24.96) 2 Chad La Tourette SR Stanford 14:41.90 14:24.35C 17 r:+0.81 24.19 49.89 (25.70) 1:16.16 (26.27) 1:42.49 (26.33) 2:08.96 (26.47) 2:35.46 (26.50) 3:02.15 (26.69) 3:28.60 (26.45) 3:54.93 (26.33) 4:21.18 (26.25) 4:47.41 (26.23) 5:13.75 (26.34) 5:40.12 (26.37) 6:06.32 (26.20) 6:32.66 (26.34) 6:59.14 (26.48) 7:25.42 (26.28) 7:51.81 (26.39) 8:18.15 (26.34) 8:44.38 (26.23) 9:10.87 (26.49) 9:37.12 (26.25) 10:03.34 (26.22) 10:29.60 (26.26) 10:56.20 (26.60) 11:22.82 (26.62) 11:49.24 (26.42) 12:15.69 (26.45) 12:41.70 (26.01) 13:07.82 (26.12) 13:34.15 (26.33) 14:00.29 (26.14) 14:24.35 (24.06) I wish I could've been watching it. MY ISP doesn't have the ESPN3 thing set up or something, so I was in the dark waiting for the real-time results! The whole meet has been pretty amazing!

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Swimosaur — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:41:38 GMT

How the pros do it: = Prelims = 1. Nolan ..... 50.17 + 50.37 = 1:40.54 ... delta = 0.20! 2. Chitwood .. 49.05 + 51.70 = 1:40.75 ... delta = 2.65 = Finals = 1. Chitwood .. 49.14 + 50.52 = 1:39.66 ... delta = 1.38 2. Nolan ..... 49.43 + 50.31 = 1:39.74 ... delta = 0.88 Event 16 Men 200 Yard Backstroke === Preliminaries === 1 David Nolan FR Stanford 1:40.70 1:40.54 r:+0.64 11.68 24.17 (12.49) 37.23 (13.06) 50.17 (12.94) 1:03.08 (12.91) 1:15.67 (12.59) 1:28.32 (12.65) 1:40.54 (12.22) 2 Cory Chitwood SR Arizona 1:38.85 1:40.75 r:+0.68 11.51 23.66 (12.15) 36.23 (12.57) 49.05 (12.82) 1:01.99 (12.94) 1:14.98 (12.99) 1:28.20 (13.22) 1:40.75 (12.55) === A - Final === 1 Cory Chitwood SR Arizona 1:40.75 1:39.66 20 r:+1.19 11.44 23.66 (12.22) 36.45 (12.79) 49.14 (12.69) 1:01.86 (12.72) 1:14.42 (12.56) 1:27.27 (12.85) 1:39.66 (12.39) 2 David Nolan FR Stanford 1:40.54 1:39.74 17 r:+0.68 11.44 23.65 (12.21) 36.57 (12.92) 49.43 (12.86) 1:02.22 (12.79) 1:14.73 (12.51) 1:27.46 (12.73) 1:39.74 (12.28)

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smontanaro — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:21:40 GMT

Amazing underwaters by Tom Shields! :bow: Holy smokes! Was that SC in lane 4? On that last length their guy had already taken seven or eight strokes before Shields broke the surface. Skip

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Former Member — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 05:54:55 GMT

I was out to dinner. A great dinner, but that must have been an awesome race to watch. Simply awesome swims. It'd be great to see if La Tourette and some other guys can re-establish American distance swimming on the world scene. Not likely. Since the addition of the NCAA 200 relays, US distance swimming is doomed to eternal negligence. Any NCAA coach who wants his team to place has to get sprinters. They have very few scholarships to give. Get guys who can do 50-100 free or stroke. Train them hard so some of them can do 200 stroke. Cal won tonight. Finalists they had in 200-500-1650 free and 400 IM? One

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knelson — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:10:36 GMT

It was exciting to watch. La Tourette's not a big guy so he turns it over pretty good. He was taking 15 strokes per 25. He's listed as six feet, but I don't buy it! Maybe it's just that so many other swimmers are so tall. Anyway, Grodzki definitely has a slower turnover. I believe he was taking 12 strokes per 25, at last early on. Grodzki tried to pull away after the 1000 but La Tourette just wouldn't let him get too far ahead. La Tourette definitely gave it everything he had on that last 25, but Grodzki held him off. It's about time that record finally went down!

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jaadams1 — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:04:14 GMT

I just found this video of the Pac 12 Conference Champs 400 Free Relay a few weeks ago. Wait for the 4th and final leg of the relay and watch Cal in Lane #2! PAC 12 2012 4 X 100 Free Relay - YouTube Amazing underwaters by Tom Shields! :bow:

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jaadams1 — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 01:51:04 GMT

I was out to dinner. A great dinner, but that must have been an awesome race to watch. Simply awesome swims. It'd be great to see if La Tourette and some other guys can re-establish American distance swimming on the world scene. ...and to come home in a 24.06 on the final 50!! :bow: I can't even do that for a 50 Free from the blocks anymore!! :bitching:

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Patrick W. Brundage — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 01:13:40 GMT

I wish I could've been watching it. MY ISP doesn't have the ESPN3 thing set up or something, so I was in the dark waiting for the real-time results! The whole meet has been pretty amazing!I was out to dinner. A great dinner, but that must have been an awesome race to watch. Simply awesome swims. It'd be great to see if La Tourette and some other guys can re-establish American distance swimming on the world scene.

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That Guy — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 10:22:06 GMT

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jaadams1 — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:23:54 GMT

Thank you Elaine! And I should mention that--with apologies to Tennessee Williams--I owe the great seat I had to the kindness of forumites. Well, one forumite in particular, Mr. PWB! The seat is in the second row near the turn end of the pool. It's looks like you owe Patrick a :chug: just like Elaine!! :D Awesome shots. It's almost like I'm there live!

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Sojerz — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 06:05:07 GMT

Thanks Kirk, terrific photos, especialy liked your shots of starts and br.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 04:58:58 GMT

Here are a few photos I took last night. www.flickr.com/.../Those are awesome shots; I guess you're not just using your Blackberry camera like I was!

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Elaine Krugman — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 04:30:53 GMT

Thank you Elaine! And I should mention that--with apologies to Tennessee Williams--I owe the great seat I had to the kindness of forumites. Well, one forumite in particular, Mr. PWB! The seat is in the second row near the turn end of the pool. Nice going, Patrick! That was a great vantage point for some close-up action photography. :applaud:

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knelson — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 03:06:01 GMT

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Elaine Krugman — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 02:42:29 GMT

Here are a few photos I took last night. www.flickr.com/.../ Fantastic photography; thanks for sharing! :applaud:

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knelson — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 02:25:06 GMT

Here are a few photos I took last night. www.flickr.com/.../

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Sojerz — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 02:20:22 GMT

Last night was a milestone for ND men's swimming when So. Frank Dyer placed 4th in the 200 Fr, (1:34.00) and scored the first ND men's points ever in the championships. I think only a handful of male swimmers have qualified in the past. Thanks Ande for posting the links to watch it happen, and good luck to all of you Texas, Cal, Arizona, Auburn, MI, and other fans and alums. Looks like quite a battle today and likely to produce incredible swims today, both prelims and finals tonight.

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knelson — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 02:18:44 GMT

I was there tonight. Very exciting! A couple observations. Tom Shields has incredible underwaters. Texas is behind, but they sure aren't going away. Great come from behind victory tonight in the 800 relay. It could be a barn burner tomorrow! One more thing, Austen Thompson split 1:00 on the *** leg of his 400 IM. This was the easiest looking 1:00 100 *** I've ever seen in my life. Honestly it looked like he was loafing.

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Former Member — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:05:03 GMT

I got the privilege of seeing this live ... it was a work of art ... he crushed every wall nearly to the 15M mark, but the last wall, in particular, was stunning. I hate to say it again ... but ... Cal swimmers looked the best as a team in the pool tonight ... and ... why does Cal still not have any divers? Cal is again in good form, but it remains to be seen if they can overcome a lack of participants in the cannonball competition. Q: Why no divers? A: One outdoor 50m pool with no diving well; no tower; sketchy weather from October to April; water polo and swimming are the culture.

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Former Member — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:34:45 GMT

He's definitely got a shot at breaking the NCAA and American record in the individual event. Austin Staab has it with a 44.18. I remember when Staab swam that time someone who was at the meet told me he basically swam the last 30 yards no breath. He didn't breathe into the third turn, didn't breathe at the wall, and did the last 25 no breath! amazing