Diet

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cheakamus — Fri, 02 Sep 2011 12:15:43 GMT

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Chris Stevenson — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:53:48 GMT

Balance is critical. For each glass of wine have a decent helping cheese. Always remember to top off any night with "peach pie" or "spomini ice cream". As you get closer to your critical meets increase your desert intake!!!! This place really needs a 'like' button...

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Robert Strand — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:45:51 GMT

Balance is critical. For each glass of wine have a decent helping of cheese. Always remember to top off any night with "peach pie" or "spomini ice cream". As you get closer to your critical meets increase your desert intake!!!!

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Celestial — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:29:04 GMT

My husband has the same problem. They can also raise your premiums for taking anti-depressants, even though those medications may actually be prescribed for pain management, such as Cymbalta & Amitriptyline. But weren't insurance companies the main culprits behind theoretical ideal body weights back in the '50s?

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pwolf66 — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 03:22:31 GMT

And that begs the question: What does BMI really account for? What is it good for? BMI was a measurement created to....and really pay attention here class.....compare the relative health between......here it comes.....individuals who observe a SENDENTARY lifestyle. In case anyone missed it, Sedentary lifestyle is a medical term used to denote a type of lifestyle with no or irregular physical activity. But due to all things easy and quick - it seems to have become the de facto measurement of everyone's health with no modifications for frame type, activity level, body composition. But now it's moving towards becoming THE universal yardstick of health. I love that I'm considered borderline morbidly obese, at least per BMI and now my company is using this to charge me a much higher hea;th insurance premium. I have to get below 215 pounds to be considered 'normal', the last time I was under 220 was when I was 17. Get real. Can I stand to lose 10-15? Sure. Can I lose 40? Not a chance unless I drop at least 15-20 pounds of lean body mass.

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cheakamus — Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:20:35 GMT

Yeah, but the key word is pastured!

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jaadams1 — Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:43:03 GMT

Yeah, but the key word is pastured! That means things off the dollar menu?? :D HEHE :banana:

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jaadams1 — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:20:01 GMT

No reason you shouldn't enjoy a fat, greasy cheeseburger with chili fries whenever you want. As long as the meat is from pastured animals, the greasier the better. As for the cheese, try a Kerrygold (Irish) or New Zealand cheddar, made with milk from pastured cows. Personally, I'd probably lose the bun, but one bun won't kill you. For the fries, try tossing your potatoes in olive oil and baking them in the oven at 500° for 20 minutes or so, turning them once. Or if they absolutely must be deep fried, fry them in beef tallow. If you use ketchup, I highly recommend Trader Joe's organic — no HFCS. Awesome...this is almost a daily ritual for me. Wendy's, Taco Bell, etc. at lunch. Gotta get some grease in me to stay happy! :bliss:

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cheakamus — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 01:52:53 GMT

I got to tell you though, I still love a nice, fat and greasy chili cheeseburger with chili fries once every month or two... No reason you shouldn't enjoy a fat, greasy cheeseburger with chili fries whenever you want. As long as the meat is from pastured animals, the greasier the better. As for the cheese, try a Kerrygold (Irish) or New Zealand cheddar, made with milk from pastured cows. Personally, I'd probably lose the bun, but one bun won't kill you. For the fries, try tossing your potatoes in olive oil and baking them in the oven at 500° for 20 minutes or so, turning them once. Or if they absolutely must be deep fried, fry them in beef tallow. If you use ketchup, I highly recommend Trader Joe's organic — no HFCS. My wife keeps a food diary on Fitday.com. It shows the composition of her daily food intake to be approximately 60% fats, 20% protein, 20% carbohydrates, i.e., a far cry from the recommendations of the USDA food pyramid, now called the food "plate," I believe. Yet her blood chemistry is stellar and she continues to lose weight. She also no longer experiences the extreme highs and lows in blood sugar she got when we both ate SAD (standard American diet). Although I don't keep count, my carbohydrate intake is probably a little higher than hers, especially when I'm swimming, and I also take sugar in my coffee. Bottom line is, both of us have lost significant amounts of weight, and our doctor confirms that we are both much healthier than in the past (but we knew that). We don't consider ourselves to be "dieting," merely following a diet we have chosen and expect to follow for the rest of our lives. As they say, YMMV.

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Former Member — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:57:57 GMT

Not everyone agrees:www.amazon.com/.../1400033462 Thanks for the recommendation. I got the book and dove into it right away.

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Former Member — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:32:38 GMT

BMI is an inappropriate indicator for athletes as it does not account for muscular people. And that begs the question: What does BMI really account for? What is it good for?

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smontanaro — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:43:57 GMT

What does BMI really account for? What is it good for? Other than collapsing multiple fitness-related variables (height, weight, body type, etc) into a single "figure of merit", not much in my limited experience. Skip

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Former Member — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:10:40 GMT

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Jimbosback — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:01:04 GMT

175 for your height is considered overweight: www.everydayhealth.com/.../index.aspx I know a guy who is 6'2" and weighs 160. Now he's an extreme case, but still out there. I don't understand the, "nothing left to lose," statement. Unless you just have bones and organs left, you can always drop weight. No doubt I am heavier than most people my height. However, at 15% body fat, there is not much lower for me to go without losing muscle mass, which, actually, I would like to do; but if I am active, I thicken up. It's my genetics. I'd also be willing to bet my waistline is smaller than most guys my age and height, even many with a 'normal' BMI. I would like to get to where I am stable at 10 percent body fat. IDK what that weight is, but I bet the BMI will still say I'm heavy, and I am pretty sure a part of that 'fat' weight will be replaced by muscle weight. My point was, if Martin says he should be 185, without knowing him, you can't be so sure he is wrong.

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aztimm — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:20:46 GMT

It's good for evaluations of obesity trends among populations because it works pretty good for most people and the only data you need is height and weight. If your BMI is over 25 it could mean you are overweight. It comes with some caveats, but it's better than nothing. I think a combination of height, weight, BMI, body fat %, together with input from a doctor, and genetics, are all great factors in any fitness plan. I certainly wouldn't say BMI doesn't apply to athletes, but perhaps it needs to be proportional. I'm at the high end of the 'healthy' BMI range, around 24. Yet at 168, 5'11", body fat 9-10%, I certainly don't think I have much to be alarmed about. Of course family history/genetics plays a large factor for me too.

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knelson — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:16:32 GMT

agree w/this but has very little place when it comes to athletic people. The NIH specifically addresses this on their BMI web page: Although BMI can be used for most men and women, it does have some limits: * It may overestimate body fat in athletes and others who have a muscular build. * It may underestimate body fat in older persons and others who have lost muscle.

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aztimm — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:11:30 GMT

Depends on body type. I'm 5'9" and my balance point seems to be about 180 when swimming (I just seem to hold onto a little more fat). I am going to try to be 175 for spring, but I just can't be lower than that. There'll be nothing left to lose. I was about 225 at my heaviest, btw, so I know what you've got ahead of you. It will be worth it. Good luck. 175 for your height is considered overweight: www.everydayhealth.com/.../index.aspx I know a guy who is 6'2" and weighs 160. Now he's an extreme case, but still out there. I don't understand the, "nothing left to lose," statement. Unless you just have bones and organs left, you can always drop weight.

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knelson — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:07:37 GMT

What does BMI really account for? What is it good for? It's good for evaluations of obesity trends among populations because it works pretty good for most people and the only data you need is height and weight. If your BMI is over 25 it could mean you are overweight. It comes with some caveats, but it's better than nothing.

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Former Member — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:13:06 GMT

I weigh myself regularly. If I am 2 pounds over my ideal weight, I count calories. (The LiveStrong app is great.) If my weight is within range, I don't even think about it. That's been working for me for a very long time. When I first started swimming I felt ravenous all the time. That made it hard if I ever needed to restrict my calorie intake. There were three things I did to fix this: 1.) Never swim on an empty stomach, unless it's first thing in the morning. Have a snack or a regular meal shortly before swimming. 2.) Drink something with electrolytes while I'm swimming. I like an 8:1 mixture of water and juice. Diluted Gatorade or PowerAid would be fine too. 3.) Have a recovery snack right after swimming. Ideally, that should be about 75% carbs, 25% protein. I keep a thermos of chocolate milk in my swim bag and drink it in the locker room. Since doing those three things, I have a perfectly normal appetite.

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Former Member — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:55:39 GMT

I guess one concern that I've always had with regards to diets is what I've come to call "sustainability". In other words, can you do it for an extended period of time as you work, travel, go out with friends, have family gatherings, go to a ball game, etc. I did the the super-low-fat approach years ago when I was active in martial arts and also going to the gym for lunch every day. It worked very well while it lasted but it was not sustainable. It is hard to eat like that every day regardless of the setting and circumstances. The low carb diet, in some ways, seems to be a little more sustainable. You might not be able to avoid carbs 100%, but it would seem to me that it is relatively easy to go into just about any restaurant or fast-food joint and buy a meal that is reasonably close to the intent of the program. What does concern me greatly in any diet these days it how hard it is to avoid all of the chemicals, corn products and, to generalize, "junk" that our industrialized food system feeds us. That is hard. If you eat out, good luck, it ain't gonna happen. At home you have to be careful where you shop and avoid nearly 90% of what is in supermarket shelves. Is this sustainable? I don't know. I got to tell you though, I still love a nice, fat and greasy chili cheeseburger with chili fries once every month or two...

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Former Member — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:22:56 GMT

All these differences in 'good' and 'bad' calories are minor despite what these fad diets would like people to believe and try to argue. There's a reason no serious bodybuilder uses anything other than calorie restriction or ketogenic (but cyclic ketogenic which is also a caloric deficit diet). I trust professional dieters over books that try to convince people they can lose weight without ever being hungry and eating all the food they love to eat. BTW, I am speaking about weight loss pure and simple, not healthy eating.

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cheakamus — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:55:39 GMT

if you don't eat carbs you are probably eating much less calories as well. Actually, I don't count calories or carbs. (For anyone wishing to do so, fitday.com is an excellent tool.) When I started my new way of eating, seven or eight years ago, I merely tried to go easy on the rice, potatoes, bread, pasta, etc. while increasing my intake of fresh fruits and veg. I also tried to consume the bulk of my carbs early in the day ("No White at Night"). Last year, I stopped eating wheat, as an experiment initially. I was responding to the challenge here: www.trackyourplaque.com/.../wheat-belly.html Because I liked the effect this had on me, an effect that was noticeable after only two weeks, I have continued to not eat wheat ever since. But I have never figured out whether those effects are directly attributable to the absence of wheat per se in my diet, or to the drastic reduction in calories (and I would argue "bad" calories) I now consume. I am neither celiac nor wheat sensitive as far as I know (so if I eat a slice of bread or a French pastry I suffer no ill effects). My wife, on the other hand, believes that for her, cutting out wheat has cured a number of long-standing medical conditions, from plantar fasciitis to gerd to joint pain (and she has also lost a lot of weight).

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cheakamus — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:22:11 GMT

The reality is though, calories in vs calories out is pretty much all that really matters. Not everyone agrees:www.amazon.com/.../1400033462 Here's a more succinct version of Taubes's argument: www.nytimes.com/.../what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html And more recently, Taubes wrote this: www.nytimes.com/.../mag-17Sugar-t.html

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cheakamus — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:20:49 GMT

When I eat high quality foods, I can eat my fill and maintain a good weight... IF I exercise enough, and I mostly just swim... usually not more than 6-9K yds/wk. I know for most folks this is not easy to achieve, but if you can, it seems to be a healthy path. I totally agree that exercise in an important component of overall good health. I swim almost every day. In the winter, when my team is in session, it's mostly aerobic sets, and I tend to put on a pound or two because I'm usually quite hungry after a workout. In summer, I swim mostly open water, so it's mainly for endurance, and I usually lose those same couple of pounds so by fall I'm ready to start the cycle again. True paleo people, like Mark Sisson, don't hold with aerobic exercise. They believe that paleolithic man sat around most of the time, waiting for his next meal to wander by, whereupon he acted with sudden, explosive energy to make the kill. Sisson therefore advocates building strength by "lifting lots of heavy things." Personally, I couldn't live without the "high" I get from a good hour-and-a-half aerobic workout.