2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

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orca1946 — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:15:49 GMT

SCM only gets local meets.

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knelson — Tue, 12 Sep 2017 04:10:44 GMT

Isn't there a nationals for SCM already? No. Only SCY and LCM. SCM gets short shrift.

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Former Member — Sun, 10 Sep 2017 15:34:23 GMT

The USMS Championship Committee, after consultation with the host, has selected Short Course Yards for 2018 USMS Spring Nationals (Indy). Jeff Roddin USMS Championship Committee That's great to hear it is SCY! This will be my first nationals with masters, and with all the training for SCY end of season goals, I think more swimmers in the country would come. Isn't there a nationals for SCM already?

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orca1946 — Sun, 27 Aug 2017 02:18:04 GMT

The people have spoken - ok - maybe only the ones with an opinion either way.

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Former Member — Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:37:07 GMT

Indy was willing, until it wasn't. Was it Indy or the competition committee that didn't want to do a SCM?

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jroddin — Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:53:22 GMT

Was it Indy or the competition committee that didn't want to do a SCM? Combination of both. The Championship Committee made the decision with input from the host. The post-Riverside participant survey was also a big influence on the decision.

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Chris Stevenson — Thu, 03 Aug 2017 07:41:12 GMT

I wouldn't hold my breath on that. If USMS Championship Committee was unwilling to go with SCM with a willing meet host and the perfect venue, it's not going to happen. Indy was willing, until it wasn't.

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Karlene — Wed, 02 Aug 2017 12:57:58 GMT

Maybe in 2019 meters for Nationals? I wouldn't hold my breath on that. If USMS Championship Committee was unwilling to go with SCM with a willing meet host and the perfect venue, it's not going to happen. While the rule book says that Spring Nationals can be either SCY or SCM, it's going be be SCY for the foreseeable future.

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orca1946 — Tue, 01 Aug 2017 01:40:10 GMT

Maybe in 2019 meters for Nationals?

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Patrick W. Brundage — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 07:47:10 GMT

Those interested in a short course meters meet should consider Canadian Masters Nationals in Calgary next spring. I'm not sure the decision has been made yet whether it will be short course or long course, but I'm very confident it will be in meters! :)And the pool in Calgary is quite nice - in addition to the main competition pool, there's an adjacent long course pool, so I suspect warm-up/cool-down facilities will be great.

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Chris Stevenson — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 03:41:37 GMT

It's good to see the idea of changing nationals to SCM at least being considered. We need to break out of our America-centered bubble and admit that SCY is an anachronism, quaint but increasingly meaningless. For me the more important reason is that there are far more options for fast SCY meets in good pools than for SCM meets. I would have gone to Indy as a SCM meet. But as a yards meet, I don't see it as a significant improvement over the fast zone meet that is within driving distance.

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Rich B. — Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:16:17 GMT

It's good to see the idea of changing nationals to SCM at least being considered. We need to break out of our America-centered bubble and admit that SCY is an anachronism, quaint but increasingly meaningless. Imagine a track meet with 220/440/880 yard events. Meters is the world standard and insisting on our own "unofficial" format is simply out of touch. It's understandable that SCY meets persist because we've invested in that infrastructure for so long, but we should be actively phasing it out by discouraging the construction of 25 yard pools like we did 50 yard format. In my opinion, new pools should at least have a metric format option. We should not fear the transition from yards to meters. Let's evolve! Some of us remember when there actually were 220-, 440-, and 880-yard events in the pool.

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David Guthrie — Fri, 14 Jul 2017 11:51:33 GMT

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knelson — Fri, 14 Jul 2017 03:57:14 GMT

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jroddin — Fri, 14 Jul 2017 03:37:39 GMT

It's good to see the idea of changing nationals to SCM at least being considered. We need to break out of our America-centered bubble and admit that SCY is an anachronism, quaint but increasingly meaningless. Imagine a track meet with 220/440/880 yard events. Meters is the world standard and insisting on our own "unofficial" format is simply out of touch. It's understandable that SCY meets persist because we've invested in that infrastructure for so long, but we should be actively phasing it out by discouraging the construction of 25 yard pools like we did 50 yard format. In my opinion, new pools should at least have a metric format option. We should not fear the transition from yards to meters. Let's evolve! I remember sometime around 1975 when I was in 2nd grade our math books had problems on the left page that were english units and problems on the right that were metric units. We were told it was good to start getting comfortable with metric units because by the year 1980 we would be fully switched over to metric. :rofl:

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Kurt Dickson — Fri, 14 Jul 2017 02:16:12 GMT

It's good to see the idea of changing nationals to SCM at least being considered. We need to break out of our America-centered bubble and admit that SCY is an anachronism, quaint but increasingly meaningless. Imagine a track meet with 220/440/880 yard events. Meters is the world standard and insisting on our own "unofficial" format is simply out of touch. It's understandable that SCY meets persist because we've invested in that infrastructure for so long, but we should be actively phasing it out by discouraging the construction of 25 yard pools like we did 50 yard format. In my opinion, new pools should at least have a metric format option. We should not fear the transition from yards to meters. Let's evolve! I personally don't care but with increasingly cut programs, new pools probably are not happening very often. Then we are left with 100s of obsolete pools. Also, not sure I agree with your definition of evolving...being like the rest of the world.

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jroddin — Wed, 05 Jul 2017 03:51:08 GMT

The USMS Championship Committee, after consultation with the host, has selected Short Course Yards for 2018 USMS Spring Nationals (Indy). Jeff Roddin USMS Championship Committee

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FlyChoseMe — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:59:18 GMT

I think switching to SCM is a terrible idea. For those of us who set goals and plan our swimming, to have a sudden switch from SCY to SCM plays havoc with goals for the SCY season. I swim Nationals every year to obtain best times and break records as an end-of-season event. That would mean no end-of-season event for SCY next year. I just moved into a new age group and have already begun thinking about my SCY goals for next year. If something like this is in the works there should be a lot more warning than a less than one year heads up. SCM season is from Sept through December. The SCM season has worked well in its current time of year and has not prevented those who can from posting top 10 FINA rankings. Very disappointing if it happens.

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BobBruce — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:22:25 GMT

If the meet is scm, I would seriously consider going. If not, it's just another scy meet...

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orca1946 — Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:42:21 GMT

Our team is divided on which way to go? The triathletes are for yards and the pool swimmers would like meters.

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Former Member — Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:07:26 GMT

As a European, I've always fancied the novelty of swimming yards without having made it over. I would love to do a 200 yards breastroke without the hard part! (LCM the whole thing is hard!). On the other side of the coin I'd also welcome more realistic FINA rankings - with more Americans (though there aren't none in the SCM rankings). Yeah, LCM is more 'pure' but given the realities of being a masters swimmer with an actual life to live, I think SCM is a good middle ground that makes for a more competitive environment ('easier' for more people).

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orca1946 — Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:24:07 GMT

As long as they are not in my age group !!

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Former Member — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 12:58:50 GMT

SCM nationals would be an excellent idea - it would benefit swimmers can compete (with times) across the globe via FINA rankings. The relays would be based on additive age vice youngest swimmer. Also, preparing for a SCM meet could be balanced by more swimmers who only have local access to a SCY or LCM facility. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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sunruh — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 09:15:44 GMT

there are 2 sides to this coin. 1) scy because its typically the big scy meet of the year - time to break scy records 2) scm because its a chance for other records now for that edge it could always land on ;) well over 99% of the pools in the usa can be 25scy. which means we all get to train it. scm pools are rare. very rare. usually poor in design (ie either a tiny gutter or that completely idiotic euro flat wall) and not made for fast swimming. and coupled with a facility that is poor too. the lcm facilities that can do scm may not be able to do 2 scm courses (because of bulkhead size) and a big meet like usms nats needs 2 pool courses. in the usa scm is a novelty. if you want a true world ranking do it the real way -> LCM (the only way they swim the Olympics)!!!

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orca1946 — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 06:47:46 GMT

I forgot about adding ages for the relays. That in itself would be a good thing.