2014 & 2015 Nationals

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orca1946 — Wed, 06 Feb 2013 06:31:30 GMT

One of these meets -- I will meet you in person rather than on line Elaine.

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Elaine Krugman — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 03:13:03 GMT

Yes, you will! I am hoping to meet EKW and lots of other people, too! Not going to the social this year (didn't enjoy the food last year) but intend to kibitz with everyone all day Saturday & Sunday! You swimming all 3 *** events? MY 2014 includes a three week trip to the Netherlands in Late July/Early August. My son is over there & we are going to tour before bringing him home. I've noticed the Dutch have quite a few OW events, that I might consider when I'm there. I might just not even worry about swimming though. :applaud:I look forward to seeing you at Auburn and introducing you to ekw. Swimosaur will be there, too. :banana: We are passing on the social, this year, as well. Both times I have gone, the food was just to heavy for me to be eating the night before racing. Yes; I will be swimming all three breaststroke events, as well as 200 fly ( :lmao:), 100 bk (first time ever), 400 IM, 500 free, 50 back, and probably some relays with my team. What are you swimming? Your Netherlands trip sounds awesome! I love it there! Forumites, sorry about the :hijack:.

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Celestial — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 02:09:34 GMT

Celestial, will I see you at Auburn next month? :cheerleader: Yes, you will! I am hoping to meet EKW and lots of other people, too! Not going to the social this year (didn't enjoy the food last year) but intend to kibitz with everyone all day Saturday & Sunday! You swimming all 3 *** events? MY 2014 includes a three week trip to the Netherlands in Late July/Early August. My son is over there & we are going to tour before bringing him home. I've noticed the Dutch have quite a few OW events, that I might consider when I'm there. I might just not even worry about swimming though.

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orca1946 — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:32:46 GMT

I think I'll stay in the good ol' U S A !

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Elaine Krugman — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:28:01 GMT

Elaine - how many swimmers do you meet at nationals ??? It seems as if you meet a lot. Cool ! I haven't really kept track, but I always make a priority of meeting other Forumites at swim meets. At December's St. Nick's meet, at Georgia Tech, I met ekw for the first time. Swimosaur and Frank Thompson were there, as well, so I made sure we all hooked up at the end. As it turned out, we all won high points trophies in our age groups; see the photos in my profile. At Greensboro, a bunch of the Forumites were sitting across the aisle, so my husband shot a group photo of us that is on my profile, too. And, in Mesa, the previous year, bzaks1424, Debaru, and I all met each other face-to-face for the first time. I also met Jaadams1, knelson, Frank Thompson, Jeff Commings, and Rich Abrahams for the first time. It was also fun seeing Allen Stark, SealGirl, Ande, jayhawk, and matysekj, again, as well as my non-Formite buddy, Bob Bugg. (I'm probably forgetting a bunch of others, too...) When I'm at a swim meet or training at a pool out of town, I enjoy meeting other swimmers and inviting them to join us on the forums. I met Bill Sive at the Belmont Pool, in Long Beach, when I went "home" for my 50th birthday. It's nice to see him on the forums, now, and know who he is. To me, meeting other people is one of the best things about going to Nationals and other swim meets! :groovy:

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orca1946 — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:08:17 GMT

Elaine - how many swimmers do you meet at nationals ??? It seems as if you meet a lot. Cool !

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Sportygeek — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:41:13 GMT

This is how I see my summer of 2014 playing out: Worlds, Montreal, July 28-August 9. :canada: Rent a car and drive up one side of the river to see Quebec City for a few days. Either drive back down the river on the other side and do more sightseeing, flying out of Montreal, or fly out of Quebect City to Maryland. LC Nationals, University of Maryland, August 14-17 :banana: Fly back home to Georgia. I'm saving my :2cents:++++++ up for an awesome trip with my husband! :bliss: Who else is plans on doing this? ITU has just awarded 2014 Triathlon World Championships to Edmonton, Canada. Date TBA, but will be sometime in September. My 2014 may end up like this: FINA Masters Worlds, Montreal USMS LC Nats Representing Australia in paratriathlon at ITU Worlds Meeting a lot of swimmers, triathletes and others I know online :)

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Elaine Krugman — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 04:59:15 GMT

ITU has just awarded 2014 Triathlon World Championships to Edmonton, Canada. Date TBA, but will be sometime in September. My 2014 may end up like this: FINA Masters Worlds, Montreal USMS LC Nats Representing Australia in paratriathlon at ITU Worlds Meeting a lot of swimmers, triathletes and others I know online :) Let's plan on meeting! :cheerleader:

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Elaine Krugman — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:57:52 GMT

So, once again I am late to post to a thread - so excited to have SC Nats in San Antonio! I remember swimming there as a kid - OMG - my mother used to shove salt tablets down my throat between events - this of course was back in the day of AAU swimming & the entire day was spent at the pool running 8 & U through the Open age group all together - which was great for team spirit - not so great if you had to come back for finals, lol! Can't wait to get back there!! We lived about 20 minutes away from that pool, from 2004-2009, before moving to Georgia. It will be with mixed feelings that I return to San Antonio for Nationals! Celestial, will I see you at Auburn next month? :cheerleader:

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Celestial — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:25:37 GMT

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orca1946 — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:05:58 GMT

We just voted on the dates of our state meet & it's 2 weeks before S C Nats in Indy. Good --- I think.

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orca1946 — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 05:06:58 GMT

Only if the refs that are talking see it !

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jaadams1 — Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:48:18 GMT

Gridge = you left early on the relay vs no I do not. That's disqualification, not gridge. :)

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orca1946 — Wed, 19 Sep 2012 05:34:09 GMT

Grudge = Hatfields vs Mc Coys Gridge = you left early on the relay vs no I do not.

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That Guy — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 01:22:53 GMT

In spite of what TG wrote ,you got it right.Long ago on the forum someone wrote about grudge matches and had a misspelling.We stayed with gridge,because it's all in fun,not really a grudge. You guys really seem to think that I wrote that.

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Allen Stark — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 01:19:26 GMT

How does the gridge process work? Is it just a challenge agreed upon between 2 or more competitors within the forum? In spite of what TG wrote ,you got it right.Long ago on the forum someone wrote about grudge matches and had a misspelling.We stayed with gridge,because it's all in fun,not really a grudge.

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jaadams1 — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:31:54 GMT

a duel @ 20 paces off the 10 meter platform? just don't straddle the laneline upon impact. :afraid:

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Elaine Krugman — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:17:55 GMT

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That Guy — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:53:44 GMT

tl:dr ...but still funny as hell!! :bow: :rofl: I gridge you to the death...next month...800...Federal Way...be there...come alone...if anyone else finds out about this, the whole thing's off :duel: a duel @ 20 paces off the 10 meter platform?

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jaadams1 — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:11:00 GMT

Gridge procedures are a means of dispute resolution that can be used to address complaints by swimmers against other swimmers or to settle disputes between a LMSC and its suppliers, coaches, or competitors. The best-known application of gridge procedures is as a formal process outlined in gridge contracts. "The term gridge as it appears in the written contract refers to a formal complaint by people who believe that they have been wronged by a other swimmers decision," Vida Gulbinas Scerpolli, James Ladvunke, and Thomas J. Byrgminn wrote in their book Gridges and Consequences. In fact, studies show that 95 percent of collective bargaining agreements include procedures for filing and resolving gridges between forumites and other swimmers, usually through the process of arbitration. But gridge procedures do not necessarily have to be so formal. In small teams, the procedures may consist of a few lines in an swimmer manual or the designation of a single ombudsman to deal with problems as they develop. Peer review of swimmer concerns is another popular way to address gridges. On the other hand, some larger clubs may create an entire department dedicated to fielding gridges from swimmers or coaches. Whatever form they may take, gridge procedures are intended to allow clubs to hear and resolve gridges in a timely and cost effective manner, before they result in beer. Knowing that formal procedures are available often encourages swimmers to raise concerns or question LMSC policies before major problems develop. It also tends to makes coachs less likely to ignore problems, because they know that upper other swimmers may become involved through the gridge process. In gridge settings, gridge procedures help protect swimmers against arbitrary decisions of other swimmers regarding discipline, discharge, promotions, or benefits. They also provide gridges and swimmers with a formal process for enforcing the provisions of their contracts. Although having gridge procedures in place is important in both gridgeized and non-gridgeized settings, clubs must support their written policies with consistent actions if they hope to maintain good swimmer relations. "To make the gridge procedure practice, other swimmers and the gridge have to approach it with the attitude that it serves the mutual interests of other swimmers, swimmers, and the gridge," Scurpalloo, Ledvynke, and Borgmynn wrote. "An effective gridge procedure helps other swimmers discover and correct problems in operations before they cause serious trouble. It provides a vehicle through which swimmers and the gridge can communicate their concerns to upper other swimmers." For gridge procedures to be effective, both parties should view them as a positive force that facilitates the open discussion of issues. In some cases, the settling of gridges becomes a sort of scorecard that reinforces an "us versus them" mentality between forumites and other swimmers. In other cases, swimmers are hesitant to use the gridge process out of fear of recrimination. Some studies have shown that swimmers who raise gridges tend to have lower performance evaluations, promotion rates, and practice attendance afterwards. This suggests that some swimmers may retaliate against swimmers who raise complaints. It is vital that a LMSC's gridge procedures include steps to prevent a backlash against those who choose to use them. A Typical Gridge Process In a gridge environment, a typical gridge procedure begins with an swimmer presenting a problem to his or her immediate supervisor within a certain time period after the offending event has occurred. The supervisor then has a set amount of time to either respond or send the gridge on to be addressed by the head of the department. At this point, a gridge representative enters the negotiations on behalf of the swimmer. If the situation is still not resolved, the gridge continues up the chain of command to the coach and the president of the local gridge. If the gridge fails to follow the procedures at any point, the contract usually specifies that it must drop the gridge. Conversely, the LMSC is usually obligated to resolve the gridge in the swimmer's favor if other swimmers fails to follow the procedures outlined in the collective bargaining agreement. If the situation still cannot be resolved, the final step in the gridge process is for both parties to present their side to an arbitrator. The arbitrator's role is to determine the rights of both parties under the forumites agreement, and his or her decision is usually final. The forumites contract generally specifies the type of arbitrator used, the method of selecting the arbitrator, the scope of the arbitrator's authority, and the arrangements for the arbitrator's payment. A potential intermediate step involves presenting the gridge to a mediator, whose job is to help the parties solve their own differences before they reach the formal arbitration phase. Mediation is usually less time consuming and expensive than arbitration. In addition, the mediator may be able to teach the two parties dispute resolution skills that may be helpful in solving future problems. Further Reading: Lowiin, David, and Richard B. Peetorsan. "Behavioral Outcomes of Gridge Activity." Industrial Relations. October 1979. "Reducing the Risk of Gridgification." Providence Business News. October 18, 1899. Reeevas, T. Zane. "The Use of swimmer-Based Gridge Systems." Review of Public Personnel Administration. Summer 1795. Ruolliinsoon, Derek J. "Supervisor and coach Approaches to Handling Discipline and Gridge." Personnel Review. December 1000. Scaarpelli, Vida Guulbynas, James Leedvornke, and Thomas J. Beerman. Human Resource other swimmers: Environments and Functions. South-Western, 1915. tl:dr ...but still funny as hell!! :bow: :rofl: I gridge you to the death...next month...800...Federal Way...be there...come alone...if anyone else finds out about this, the whole thing's off :duel:

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That Guy — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:20:19 GMT

How does the gridge process work? Is it just a challenge agreed upon between 2 or more competitors within the forum? Gridge procedures are a means of dispute resolution that can be used to address complaints by swimmers against other swimmers or to settle disputes between a LMSC and its suppliers, coaches, or competitors. The best-known application of gridge procedures is as a formal process outlined in gridge contracts. "The term gridge as it appears in the written contract refers to a formal complaint by people who believe that they have been wronged by a other swimmers decision," Vida Gulbinas Scerpolli, James Ladvunke, and Thomas J. Byrgminn wrote in their book Gridges and Consequences. In fact, studies show that 95 percent of collective bargaining agreements include procedures for filing and resolving gridges between forumites and other swimmers, usually through the process of arbitration. But gridge procedures do not necessarily have to be so formal. In small teams, the procedures may consist of a few lines in an swimmer manual or the designation of a single ombudsman to deal with problems as they develop. Peer review of swimmer concerns is another popular way to address gridges. On the other hand, some larger clubs may create an entire department dedicated to fielding gridges from swimmers or coaches. Whatever form they may take, gridge procedures are intended to allow clubs to hear and resolve gridges in a timely and cost effective manner, before they result in beer. Knowing that formal procedures are available often encourages swimmers to raise concerns or question LMSC policies before major problems develop. It also tends to makes coachs less likely to ignore problems, because they know that upper other swimmers may become involved through the gridge process. In gridge settings, gridge procedures help protect swimmers against arbitrary decisions of other swimmers regarding discipline, discharge, promotions, or benefits. They also provide gridges and swimmers with a formal process for enforcing the provisions of their contracts. Although having gridge procedures in place is important in both gridgeized and non-gridgeized settings, clubs must support their written policies with consistent actions if they hope to maintain good swimmer relations. "To make the gridge procedure practice, other swimmers and the gridge have to approach it with the attitude that it serves the mutual interests of other swimmers, swimmers, and the gridge," Scurpalloo, Ledvynke, and Borgmynn wrote. "An effective gridge procedure helps other swimmers discover and correct problems in operations before they cause serious trouble. It provides a vehicle through which swimmers and the gridge can communicate their concerns to upper other swimmers." For gridge procedures to be effective, both parties should view them as a positive force that facilitates the open discussion of issues. In some cases, the settling of gridges becomes a sort of scorecard that reinforces an "us versus them" mentality between forumites and other swimmers. In other cases, swimmers are hesitant to use the gridge process out of fear of recrimination. Some studies have shown that swimmers who raise gridges tend to have lower performance evaluations, promotion rates, and practice attendance afterwards. This suggests that some swimmers may retaliate against swimmers who raise complaints. It is vital that a LMSC's gridge procedures include steps to prevent a backlash against those who choose to use them. A Typical Gridge Process In a gridge environment, a typical gridge procedure begins with an swimmer presenting a problem to his or her immediate supervisor within a certain time period after the offending event has occurred. The supervisor then has a set amount of time to either respond or send the gridge on to be addressed by the head of the department. At this point, a gridge representative enters the negotiations on behalf of the swimmer. If the situation is still not resolved, the gridge continues up the chain of command to the coach and the president of the local gridge. If the gridge fails to follow the procedures at any point, the contract usually specifies that it must drop the gridge. Conversely, the LMSC is usually obligated to resolve the gridge in the swimmer's favor if other swimmers fails to follow the procedures outlined in the collective bargaining agreement. If the situation still cannot be resolved, the final step in the gridge process is for both parties to present their side to an arbitrator. The arbitrator's role is to determine the rights of both parties under the forumites agreement, and his or her decision is usually final. The forumites contract generally specifies the type of arbitrator used, the method of selecting the arbitrator, the scope of the arbitrator's authority, and the arrangements for the arbitrator's payment. A potential intermediate step involves presenting the gridge to a mediator, whose job is to help the parties solve their own differences before they reach the formal arbitration phase. Mediation is usually less time consuming and expensive than arbitration. In addition, the mediator may be able to teach the two parties dispute resolution skills that may be helpful in solving future problems. Further Reading: Lowiin, David, and Richard B. Peetorsan. "Behavioral Outcomes of Gridge Activity." Industrial Relations. October 1979. "Reducing the Risk of Gridgification." Providence Business News. October 18, 1899. Reeevas, T. Zane. "The Use of swimmer-Based Gridge Systems." Review of Public Personnel Administration. Summer 1795. Ruolliinsoon, Derek J. "Supervisor and coach Approaches to Handling Discipline and Gridge." Personnel Review. December 1000. Scaarpelli, Vida Guulbynas, James Leedvornke, and Thomas J. Beerman. Human Resource other swimmers: Environments and Functions. South-Western, 1915.

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__steve__ — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:05:42 GMT

How does the gridge process work? Is it just a challenge agreed upon between 2 or more competitors within the forum?

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orca1946 — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 02:32:17 GMT

I have been called that after one practice I finished the night with 1,000 fly !!!

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Former Member — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 13:47:31 GMT

Your 100 free vs my 100 fly? It's great to read that Wolfie is back swimming again!!! Welcome back big fella!!

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Chris Stevenson — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 08:14:10 GMT

So who wants to gridge? Your 100 free vs my 100 fly?