Legal suits foe S C Nats in April

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MSwan — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:33:55 GMT

I just received mine. It fits fine. Great service, it showed up a couple of days after I ordered it.

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mollyfied — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:15:50 GMT

George should love the USMS forum. I'm buying one, too.

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orca1946 — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:01:04 GMT

He must have suits packed up & ready to go!!:bolt:

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jaadams1 — Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:04:30 GMT

I dunno. But maybe a better question is why the other suits are so pricey. Same reason the price of gas is where it is. Greed.

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Chris Stevenson — Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:49:05 GMT

How does he get the price so low ?:2cents::2cents::2cents: I dunno. But maybe a better question is why the other suits are so pricey.

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orca1946 — Thu, 14 Apr 2011 05:11:10 GMT

How does he get the price so low ?:2cents::2cents::2cents:

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jaadams1 — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:36:27 GMT

So my whopping 33 bucks seems well spent at this point. I plan to wear it at Mesa, and find it hard to imagine that a $200 jammer could be significantly better. Exactly the reason I like it too. I bought 2 originally and have used one for all my meets since January (like 6 of them I think), and have saved the other one for it's virgin run at Nationals. I'll be buying more...because $33 is right where I can afford. I also like that the legs of the Yingfas are not so overly constricting at the bottom. I had a TYR Fusion 2 to compare it with, which was quite snug around the bottom of the thigh. :applaud: to Yingfa!

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orca1946 — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 04:17:31 GMT

His price of $33 can not be beat!:2cents::2cents::2cents:

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BillS — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 02:22:58 GMT

I ordered a Yingfa jammer late Tuesday, and it arrived in Friday's mail. That's pretty great service. I am 6'2" and just under 200 pounds. I wear a 34 practice and race suit. Based on Chris' comments I figured the XL would be perfect. I tried it on and liked the fit. The fit reminds me of one of my first tech suits, TYR leggings, which were very low rise in the hips. The Yingfa is at least as low, and probably lower in the back than the TYR. Those babies who got back may find it a little too low. But as my wife frequently points out, this baby got no back, and so I'm not too worried about the timers mistaking me for a plumber. And if they do, hey, it wasn't me that outlawed the full coverage suits. My post suit ban race suit has been an older Speedo FSII jammer. I never really liked it when I first got in the pre-B70 days, and I liked it even less after the ban. But I paid $149 for it, and I'm cheap so I wear it. The fit never felt quite right in ways that I can't really articulate, but the biggest issue with the Speedo was that the bottom of the legs constricted my thighs something fierce, to the point of feeling like they cut off some of the circulation at times. I do not have big thighs by any means, but I would regularly be jamming fingers in the bottom of the legs and tugging and adjusting to try and stretch it out a little. I tried on the Yingfa at the end of practice this morning and swam a few hundred meters in it. My practice suit is a TYR nylon jammer that is at least a couple months past its mandatory retirement age, but we're all friends on my team and, as mentioned, I'm cheap. And so it swims on, ballooning and billowing here and there when waterlogged, with me regularly tugging the legs up and adjusting. So the Yingfa felt wonderfully compressive in comparison, and seemed like a very good race suit. The fabric micro-bubbled and seemed to repel water like the tech suits of yore, it felt sleek and fast, and I even swear I felt a little float from it. The bottom of the legs are snug at the thighs, but not overly so. Some suits I have tried felt like they restricted the breaststroke kick, but I didn't feel that with the Yingfa. So my whopping 33 bucks seems well spent at this point. I plan to wear it at Mesa, and find it hard to imagine that a $200 jammer could be significantly better.

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Chris Stevenson — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 11:03:55 GMT

Hadn't visited this thread in awhile. First off, I saw this article that might be helpful to many in "championship" season: www.usms.org/.../articledisplay.php About the Yingfa, I just wore one for the first time last weekend in NC. My impressions: First of all, you gotta love the price. And the service was just awesome. I ordered it online, no expedited delivery or anything. Within an hour I got an email from George saying it had been send and I received it at home (Richmond VA) two days later. The material feels very durable. I wasn't worried about ripping or anything and (although I haven't tested directly) I think it will last for several meets. About sizing...I wear size 32 jeans comfortably (tho I'm not willing to say I have a 32-in waist due to the possibility of "vanity" sizing). I ordered the XL based on the size chart. It is probably too big for me, the suit definitely "gathers" a little in places. BUT I am not sure I would want to go smaller b/c even with the XL I felt like it was a little low in the back and felt like I was getting a little bit of a "wedgie." Shades of Junior High... I have two common fit issues with jammers. First of all, often they are uncomfortably constricting at the bottom. No issue at all with the Yingfa on that score, and I don't think it would be an issue even if I sized down. Secondly, I have a long torso/short body combination (to give you some idea: I am 7 inches taller than my wife but our jeans are the same length). So often jammers will go too low for me, a few even "flap" a little bit in the water near the knees. Again, no problem with the Yingfa in that regard. At present time my plan is to use the Yingfa only for in-season meets and stick with XL. I have a couple taper/race suits still in good shape and will use them up, that may take a year or more. After that I'll revisit the issue of whether to size down (possibly being less comfortable) and use the Yingfa in a taper meet. As someone mentioned, they are cheap enough that experimentation is no big deal.

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Bobinator — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 07:56:11 GMT

How is it working out for you? and if you don't mind me asking, what is your "normal" swimsuit size? I've been thinking of trying one of these - I need to double my race-suit collection. Hi! I wore a size 24 blue seventy long-leg suit and size 30 to 32 workout suit. I am getting a medium yingfa as soon as I get home from vacation (he ships them very fast). I raced in mine this week-end and loved it even though it was too big. It seems very sturdy, a great value I'd say!

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orca1946 — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 07:39:50 GMT

He is fast & a lot of you a very happy with the suits!:banana:

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BillS — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 06:59:45 GMT

About the Yingfa, I just wore one for the first time last weekend in NC. My impressions: First of all, you gotta love the price. And the service was just awesome. I ordered it online, no expedited delivery or anything. Within an hour I got an email from George saying it had been send and I received it at home (Richmond VA) two days later. The material feels very durable. I wasn't worried about ripping or anything and (although I haven't tested directly) I think it will last for several meets. About sizing...I wear size 32 jeans comfortably (tho I'm not willing to say I have a 32-in waist due to the possibility of "vanity" sizing). I ordered the XL based on the size chart. It is probably too big for me, the suit definitely "gathers" a little in places. BUT I am not sure I would want to go smaller b/c even with the XL I felt like it was a little low in the back and felt like I was getting a little bit of a "wedgie." Shades of Junior High... I have two common fit issues with jammers. First of all, often they are uncomfortably constricting at the bottom. No issue at all with the Yingfa on that score, and I don't think it would be an issue even if I sized down. Secondly, I have a long torso/short body combination (to give you some idea: I am 7 inches taller than my wife but our jeans are the same length). So often jammers will go too low for me, a few even "flap" a little bit in the water near the knees. Again, no problem with the Yingfa in that regard. At present time my plan is to use the Yingfa only for in-season meets and stick with XL. I have a couple taper/race suits still in good shape and will use them up, that may take a year or more. After that I'll revisit the issue of whether to size down (possibly being less comfortable) and use the Yingfa in a taper meet. As someone mentioned, they are cheap enough that experimentation is no big deal. I just ordered one. With prices cheaper than a grab bag suit and free shipping, why not? And I got an email from George 12 minutes after I paid saying my suit will go out tomorrow. I'll post a follow up after I get the suit.

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Former Member — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 06:49:53 GMT

Hi! I wore a size 24 blue seventy long-leg suit and size 30 to 32 workout suit. I am getting a medium yingfa as soon as I get home from vacation (he ships them very fast). I raced in mine this week-end and loved it even though it was too big. It seems very sturdy, a great value I'd say! Thanks - I'm on the verge of ordering and as I'm a 25 fastskin and 32/34 trainig suit, it sounds like a large would probably work for me then. :)

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jaadams1 — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:35:04 GMT

Loved the suit. The low back can be pulled up and tied just fine -- I thought it might slip but it didn't. Not sure if it was the suit or the fact I had to take a week off last week, but my repeats were very fast (for me) today, especially backstroke. I love the low $33 price tag that comes with it. :)

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Jimbosback — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 10:27:13 GMT

I just tried it on and it fits great -- a little lower in the back than my other suits, but not too low. :applaud: I'll test drive it Monday. Loved the suit. The low back can be pulled up and tied just fine -- I thought it might slip but it didn't. Not sure if it was the suit or the fact I had to take a week off last week, but my repeats were very fast (for me) today, especially backstroke.

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orca1946 — Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:50:51 GMT

Geo is very helpful to all that work with him :applaud:

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orca1946 — Sat, 02 Apr 2011 07:21:48 GMT

That was my fit as well. Very low in the butt.

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Jimbosback — Sat, 02 Apr 2011 01:45:58 GMT

I originally got an XL Yingfa (my waist 33/34) and, while I liked, felt it had a little extra room so I got the large and that was a tighter fit. I just tried it on and it fits great -- a little lower in the back than my other suits, but not too low. :applaud: I'll test drive it Monday.

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Karen Duggan — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:46:26 GMT

I HIGHLY recommend the Yingfa for comfort and price. Because the suits are: XS, S, M, L, and XL they are tough at first to size. I think I ended up with a medium and I'm about 25lbs overweight. George has all the answers if you ask the right questions. I also compared the Yingfa to the B70 and my estimate was that the Yingfa was just a hair slower than the B70. :2cents: Good luck :cheerleader:

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Patrick W. Brundage — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:05:11 GMT

Just bought a Yingfa. The price is sweet. I went by the size chart and got an xl. Hope that's right -- my waist is 32, and my Aquablade is a 32. I originally got an XL Yingfa (my waist 33/34) and, while I liked, felt it had a little extra room so I got the large and that was a tighter fit.

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ande — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:12:08 GMT

Here's what's legal: They have the Blue & White FINA approved circle beside the suits Think I'm going to wear a B70 NEROTX Ande List of FINA Approved swimsuits Valid for the period from 01 January 2011 to 31 December 2011 (the List of FINA Approved swimsuits for 2012 will be published before December 31, 2011). USMS RULES 102.14 Swimwear for Pool Competition 102.14.1 Design—The swimsuits worn for competition shall be nontransparent and conform to the current concept of the appropriate. The referee shall have authority to bar offenders from competition until they comply with this rule. A Swimwear shall include only a swimsuit, cap and goggles (a nose clip and ear plugs are allowed). Armbands or legbands shall not be regarded as parts of the swimsuit and are not allowed. B In swimming competitions, the competitor must wear only one swimsuit in one or two pieces. All swimsuits shall be made from textile materials. For men, the swimsuit shall not extend above the navel nor below the knees, and for women, shall not cover the neck, extend past the shoulder nor extend below the knees. C Only swimsuits complying with FINA swimsuit specifications may be worn in any USMS sanctioned or recognized competition. D Exemptions to the foregoing restrictions may be granted to a swimmer, on a case by case basis, by the chair of the Rules Committee or designee. Exemptions will be granted only for conflicts due to the swimmer’s verified religious beliefs or verified medical conditions. (1) Procedures for applying for an exemption will be established by the Rules Committee and posted on the U.S. Masters Swimming website. (2) No exemption to these restrictions will be granted for a swimsuit that will give the swimmer a competitive advantage. (3) The decision of the Rules Committee chair may be appealed only to the entire Rules Committee, whose decision shall be final and binding on all parties. E No swimmer is permitted to wear or use any device or substance to enhance speed, pace, buoyancy or endurance during a race (such as webbed gloves, flippers, fins, etc.). Goggles may be worn, and rubdown oil applied if not considered excessive by the referee. Any kind of tape on the body is not permitted unless approved by the referee. FINA List of Approved Suits for 2010 USA Swimming Rules 102.8 SWIMWEAR .1 Design A Swimwear shall include only a swimsuit, cap, and goggles. Armbands or leg bands shall not be regarded as parts of the swimsuit and are not allowed. B In swimming competitions, the swimmer must wear only one swimsuit in one or two pieces, except as provided in 205.10.1. All swimsuits shall be made from textile materials. For men, the swimsuit shall not extend above the navel nor below the knees, and for women, shall not cover the neck, extend past the shoulder, nor extend below the knee (see 701.4.4 for open water exception). (1) Exemptions to the foregoing restriction may be granted to a swimmer, on a case by case basis, by the Chair of the Rules & Regulations Committee, or his/her designee. Exemptions will be granted only for conflicts due to the swimmer’s verified religious beliefs or verified medical conditions. (2) Procedures for applying for an exemption will be established by the Rules & Regulations Committee and posted on the USA Swimming website. (3) No exemption to this restriction will be granted for a swimsuit that will give the swimmer a competitive advantage. (4) The decision of the Rules Chair may be appealed only to the entire Rules & Regulations Committee, whose decision shall be final and binding on all parties. C Only swimsuits complying with FINA swimsuit specifications may be worn in any USA Swimming sanctioned or approved competition. D Swimsuits worn for competition must be non-transparent and conform to the current concept of the appropriate. E No swimmer is permitted to wear or use any device, substance or swimsuit to help his/ her speed, pace, buoyancy or endurance during a race (such as webbed gloves, flippers, fins, etc.). Goggles may be worn, and rubdown oil applied if not considered excessive by the Referee. Any kind of tape on the body is not permitted unless approved by the Referee. F The Referee shall have authority to bar offenders from the competition until they comply with the rule. .2 Insignia — Swimmers may wear the insignia and/or name of the club or organization they represent or of which they are a member or the insignia of their FINA National Federation or Organizing Committees for Olympic, World, Continental or Regional Championships, except as otherwise provided in 202.6.3 for international competition and in FINA rules GR5 and GR6. Swimmers shall not be allowed to wear the insignia and/or name of any club or organization which they are not entitled to represent in open competition, if such action is objectionable to that club or organization. .3 Advertising (effective 10-01-10) A Advertising means the normal display of the name, designation, trademark, logo, or any other distinctive sign of the manufacturer of the item or any other advertiser permitted in accordance with this rule. FINA labeling and the USA Swimming logo or club logo shall not be considered as advertisements. Logos of the swimwear manufacturer shall be considered as advertising and are included in the limits described in (1) through (3) below. In the competition venue or complex of all events conducted by and under the control of USA Swimming or any LSC or division thereof, advertising appearing on swimwear is allowed as follows: (1) Swimsuits — A total of two separate advertising logos of a maximum size of 20 square centimeters (3.1 sq. in.) each, as measured as applied, shall be permitted. (2) Caps — A total of two separate advertising logos of a maximum size of 20 square centimeters (3.1 sq. in.) each, as measured as applied, shall be permitted. A club logo is not considered as advertising and is not subject to the size limitations. (3) Goggles — A total of two separate advertising logos of a maximum size of 6 square centimeters (.9 sq. in.) each, as measured as applied, shall be permitted, but only on the spectacle frame or band. B Body advertising in the form of temporary tattoos or other embellishments is not allowed. C Advertising for the following shall not be allowed: (1) Products involving tobacco, alcohol or pharmaceuticals containing substances banned under IOC or FINA rules; (2) Political statements; and (3) Any products or services that would be counter to the values of the sport or bring disrepute to USA Swimming. D Swimmers in violation of the above provisions may be barred from the competition venue until they comply. However, any swimmer who competes in an event wearing swimwear in violation of these advertising provisions shall not be subject to disqualification.

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Jimbosback — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:40:38 GMT

I've been using my Yingfa suit like crazy in all my meets. my waist is 32 I guess for jeans, I use a 30 for my suits though... My Yingfa is a Large size, and seems to fit pretty good. I may try a Medium next time since they're only $33. I've had very good results with the suit so far. I'm happy, especially since I don't have the kind of $$$ to spend on the "big name" suits. I'd rather race in a "grab bag" suit for $10 than spend $150+ for something that may wear out just the same. :) I can't wait to try it out. Maybe it will become the forum 'team' suit. :)

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jaadams1 — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:36:33 GMT

Let me know how they fit you ! They were too short for me. That's cause they're only supposed to go from your waist to just above the knees! :lmao:

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jaadams1 — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:34:59 GMT

Just bought a Yingfa. The price is sweet. I went by the size chart and got an xl. Hope that's right -- my waist is 32, and my Aquablade is a 32. I've been using my Yingfa suit like crazy in all my meets. my waist is 32 I guess for jeans, I use a 30 for my suits though... My Yingfa is a Large size, and seems to fit pretty good. I may try a Medium next time since they're only $33. I've had very good results with the suit so far. I'm happy, especially since I don't have the kind of $$$ to spend on the "big name" suits. I'd rather race in a "grab bag" suit for $10 than spend $150+ for something that may wear out just the same. :)