USMS vs USA Swimming

RE: USMS vs USA Swimming

Jay Eckert — Mon, 03 Jul 2023 15:18:10 GMT

Swimmers wishing to have times entered into SWIMS (USA Swimming’s times database) must complete a form, obtained from the administrative referee at the meet, prior to the swim.

RE: USMS vs USA Swimming

09PY3 — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 14:00:11 GMT

Who do I need to talk to at Nationals about doing this? Thank you again!

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09PY3 — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:07:02 GMT

Good to know, thank you! I am usually at Nationals, so this will come in handy!

RE: USMS vs USA Swimming

Mike Abegg — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:17:28 GMT

There are ways to have times at a USMS meet count for USA Swimming. It can be complicated and the process depends on what LMSC/LSC you’re in. For example, USMS Nationals are usually set up as USAS Observed meets meaning anyone who wants their time to count for USAS can then request their swim be observed according to USAS rules We usually have about a dozen requests at each Nationals. But it can be done for local meets too if it’s important enough.

RE: USMS vs USA Swimming

09PY3 — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 18:17:23 GMT

Thank you for your help!

RE: USMS vs USA Swimming

09PY3 — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 18:16:22 GMT

Thank you so much for your help!

RE: USMS vs USA Swimming

Carter Page — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:07:32 GMT

Hi!

Times achieved by USMS members at meets sanctioned by USA Swimming will be counted towards their own times and also be eligible for Top 10/All Star recognition. The associated section of the USMS rulebook is 202.3.

For times achieved by USA swimming members at USMS sanctioned meets, the results will not be recognized by USA Swimming. This is due to specific rules within the USMS rulebook that deviate from USA Swimming's rulebook.

- Carter

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ForceDJ — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 14:45:38 GMT

I don’t compete in pool meets, but based on what little I know about rules of the two authorities (USMS and USAS)…I would think that USAS times might be applicable in USMS…but not the other way. The reason I say that…and this might be incorrect…but there are rules in the USMS that aren’t allowed in USAS. The one I can think of to use for an example would be the butterfly stroke. USMS allows the swimmer to use a breaststroke kick exclusively, or interchangeably. I don’t think USAS allows that. (USMS rule 101.3.3). I’m sure there are others.

Dan