2003 NE SCY Championships

RE: 2003 NE SCY Championships

osterber — Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:13:41 GMT

If anyone is interested in seeing what we do for results to your cell phone, the results from the Distance day of the NEM SCY champs are now online for mobile browser display. If you have a cell phone web browser, point it to: wap.swimindex.com During the main portion of our meet this week-end, the mobile web version will be updated with results in real time (i.e., as soon as each event finishes). The main web site will also have event-by-event results posted. -Rick

RE: 2003 NE SCY Championships

Former Member — Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:36:23 GMT

Results from the 2003 NE SCY Championship "Distance Day" can be found at: www.swimindex.com/.../ The following swimmers broke NE records: Dan Rogacki 55-59 1000 11:58.93 (split from 1650) 1650 19:55.84 Jessica Stokes 25-29 1000 10:59.49 Jacki Hirsty 50-54 1000 11:34.29 Ethan Saulnier 39-34 1000 10:08.42 (fastest 1000 of the day) Jason Eaddy had the fastest 1650 of the day with a 16:31.90 some 4 seconds off his NE record. He might have broken that record except for the fact that he stopped at the 450, removed his cap and goggles, put his goggles back on and resumed his race. The 2003 NE SCY Championship continues on Friday March 28th through Sunday March 30th. Live results will be available on the meet website.

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Former Member — Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:10:41 GMT

Originally posted by NCSwimmer Might want to save someone from being embarrased and check the top seeds in these events. I can't say for sure they are incorrect but I'd sure bet your salary! Event 12 Men 200 Yard Freestyle Event 24 Men 200 Yard Breaststroke Event 40 Men 50 Yard Breaststroke Event 52 Men 200 Yard IM Having seen Ron Karnaugh swim in the beginning of March, I can attest that Ron is fully capable of swimming those times...which is a truly frightening thought. :eek: Ray

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Former Member — Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:21:39 GMT

Yes Karnaugh is an incredible masters swimmer. I do think he will have a race on his hands from some very fast NE swimmers in his age group including Stu Cromarty (South African Olympian) and Jim Harvery (USMS national record holder) as well from local "young-un" in the 25-29, Jason Eaddy, the former Princeton standout who now trains at Harvard's (ha!) Blodgett pool and is swimming very fast these days. Check out the action LIVE at: www.swimindex.com/.../ Distance Day is Saturday March 22nd and the rest of the events are Friday March 28-30th. With 723 swimmers this is the largest regional masters meet outside of the Bay Area.

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:26:09 GMT

Preliminary Psyche Sheets Posted for 2003 NE SCY Championship Check out Fast Seed Times 719 Entries Processed To Date Sets New Record For NE Meet Turnout For more info go to: www.swimindex.com/.../

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:13:19 GMT

That's why we call them PRELIMINARY Psyche Sheets and also why we post them on the web 1-2 weeks before the event. They have already been corrected along with a host of other changes/corrections. Might note however, that Ron Karnaugh is swimming in this meet and his seed times are legitimate. He will however have some competition in certain events. For example, Jason Eaddy swam a 49 low and 1:49 low for the 100/200 fly last weekend at the Sectionals held on L.I. Jim Harvey, a record holder in the 35-39 age group, is a pretty good sprinter and should give him some competition. So will Stu Cromarty. also in the 35-39 age group in the 200 free. Keeping checking the website for updates including preliminary timelines and live results.

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:02:43 GMT

Might want to save someone from being embarrased and check the top seeds in these events. I can't say for sure they are incorrect but I'd sure bet your salary! Event 12 Men 200 Yard Freestyle Event 24 Men 200 Yard Breaststroke Event 40 Men 50 Yard Breaststroke Event 52 Men 200 Yard IM

RE: 2003 NE SCY Championships

Former Member — Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:36:55 GMT

The 2003 NE SCY Championship is closed to entries. We have processed 570 entries so far and expect total attendance to exceed 700 athletes (compared to last year's 670 swimmers). A preliminary psyche sheet and meet timeline will be posted later this week. Once again, this meet will feature live scoreboard, webcam as well as the first ever masters meet to offer web-enabled results that can be accessed via a WAP-enabled cell phone. For more meet information go to: www.swimindex.com/.../ First events up are the 1650 and 1000 this Saturday March 22nd (8:00 am warm-up and 9:00 am start).

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Former Member — Thu, 06 Mar 2003 15:53:38 GMT

Friday March 7th is the postmark deadline for the 2003 NE SCY Championships (Monday March 10th is the receive by deadline) For more meet information go to: www.swimindex.com/.../ We've processed 200+ entries as of last night (see website for details) and expect to get another 500 over the next week. Congratulations to Fred Schicher for setting a new world record in the Men's 55-59 200 SCM Fly: Fred swam a 2:22.73 breaking the record by six seconds. However, he "only" won the race by .01 seconds as Greg Shaw, competing in the 50-54, nearly beat him. Fred and Greg will compete again in the 200 fly, this time both will be in the 50-54 age group, in the 2003 NE SCY Championships. Answer to last 25th Anniversary Blodgett Trivia: The swimmer who parted the waters of Blodgett, set a world record at the Olympics yet failed to get the gold medal in his event was Dave Berkoff. Berkoff broke the world record in the prelims of the 100 back but was outouched by Daichi Suzuki of Japan. Suzuki also is connected Blodgett. Several years ago, while studying at Harvard Suzuki was a volunteer coach for the Harvard Mens team and workout with Cambridge Masters in Lane 1.

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Former Member — Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:07:57 GMT

You are going to lose a lot of us if you start the touchy-feely, political correctness garbage. You know, "since 25% of our U.S. population is Eastern Slobovian, we must strive to ensure that OUR organization falls into that parameter". Did you ever consider that identifying and tracking and targeting certain Races is , in reality, Racist to the core. How about we just sign people up and quit looking at their skin color or place of birth. I would want any organization to which I belong , to want me for me, not my ability to make them feel good by being a badge of percentage diversity. Put 'em up........ I feel strongly about this ! Bert

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Former Member — Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:42:47 GMT

Pacific Masters does have a lot of swimmers and they have succeded even though California is no longer white suburban as much as it was 30 years ago. They just don't push their swimmers into the pool competitons like some of the other locals.

RE: 2003 NE SCY Championships

osterber — Mon, 03 Mar 2003 11:34:09 GMT

Sounds like the age group kids conversations have slipped into the masters forum... -Rick

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Former Member — Mon, 03 Mar 2003 07:36:17 GMT

The topic of "swimming demographics" should probably be a separate thread (if necessary) and doesn't really have anything to do with 2003 NE SCY Championship. In my mind, the overwhelming question is not how ethnically represenative is Masters (that's a function of things that have nothing at all to do with Masters) but why isn't USMS at 100,000+ members and what will it take to get us there ASAP.

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Former Member — Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:35:27 GMT

That's good Michael that you are gettting asian parents involved. But as you stated hispanic are less in the sport. I went to the short course meters in Arizona last October and for a state that has 25 percent hispanic about 2 pecent of the master swimmers were hispanic. Also, SPMA which has a much higher hispanic population is effective more by immirgation which it comes to swimming. Hispanics are less involved than asian children and adults. This doesn't only effect swimming. Figure Skating the most expensive sport there has a high number of top level asian skaters in Southern Callifornia. On the other hand, hispanics which in LA make up about 46 percent of the population and 32 percent of the population of Orange County are less representive in the sport. Hispanics because of income and cultural taste are not as likely to do other sports like swimming or figure skating and even diving-a sport that the Mexican country is really good at than asians. Blacks have been underrepresentive in both children and adult swimming for some time. And in places like Arizona and Orange County California blacks make up a small number of the population. I don't feel that 10,000 is a small number I'm just saying you are in an area with a large population. Both SPMA and Metropolian with populations over 14 million are a lot more underrepresentive in masters swimming.

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michaelmoore — Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:42:46 GMT

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michaelmoore — Thu, 27 Feb 2003 01:54:44 GMT

Also, Calif has the highest number of foreign born residents. It also has the largest number of native born residents and the largest number of residents. While the children of immirgants are involved with sports, its harder to get their parents involved since they come from a different culture. It may depend on where the parents are from. Pacific Swimming (the local LSC) has a very heavy Asian poplulation. There are many kids whose parents come from China, Viet Nam and the Philipines who competitively swim. As a guess there are fewer Latino kids swimming and there are very few Black kids swimming. I would also guess that there are far more Asian kids swimming (whose parents are immigrants) than Black kids (whose parents are native born Americans). As you said swimming is heavily to middle class and upper middle class. But if you adjust populaton pacific masters doesn't really have has much membership than other areas. Their in an where the population is 8 million. So, 10,000 while a good number isn't as high if you take it out of 8 million people You are right 10,000 out of 8 million is not all that many and the LMSC is trying to grow. Lets see Arizona poplulation: 5 million; Arizona LMSC membership: 822. The same can be said for pacific masters, Santa Clara and more upscale areas of San Francisco seem to have a lot of master involvment, while other places don't. You seem to be making the point that the immigrant factor makes quite a difference in the number of Masters swimmers. If you look at Santa Clara county (a county that has a high number of Pacific Masters Swimmers), you will see that it is just over 50% caucasian and a little more than 25% Asian. It is also a county that has a very high base of immigrants. I would suggest that Santa Clara county does not fit your immigrant model of swimmers. Also Santa Clara county has many of the competitive swimmers in Pac Masters. If you look at the demographics of Masters swimmers, it is heavy to middle and upper middle class. I think that is more of a determining factor than an immigrant factor. Just my $0.02 michael

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:31:22 GMT

I agree that they don't emphasis competing in the meets. But if you adjust populaton pacific masters doesn't really have has much membership than other areas. Their in an where the population is 8 million. So, 10,000 while a good number isn't as high if you take it out of 8 million people.According to the US Cenus, California particularly the Southern Part lost 1 million people to other states. And gain 1 million from international places especially Mexico and Southeast Asia. The immirgrant factor probably effects Southern California more than most places when it comes to sports. Spma is most popular in more upper-middle class areas like the beach and Southern Orange County, least popular in heavier minority areas that have recent immirgants. The same can be said for pacific masters, Santa Clara and more upscale areas of San Francisco seem to have a lot of master involvment, while other places don't.

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Former Member — Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:37:21 GMT

I think that racing is less prevalent in CA compared to NE because the leadership in CA puts a lower priority on racing. This is understandable if you consider that Pacific Masters has 10,000 members and almost no one wants to run or participate in a meet with 4,000 people. With less than 2,000 members this is not a problem in NE right now--but if our SCY meet continues to grow we will have to reconsider once the participation rate goes over 1,000 people.

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Former Member — Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:44:33 GMT

Why they don't race in Northern or Southern California as much. I have my theories. For one many swimmers left the state in the early 1990's and went to other states. Also, Calif has the highest number of foreign born residents. While the children of immirgants are involved with sports, its harder to get their parents involved since they come from a different culture. Southern California has a very large hispanic population that comes more from rural areas in Mexico where swimming is not that important compared to boxing or soccer. Those in Northen and Southern California that make up the upper-middle class that are involved with masters prefer to do it for exercise or triathons or open swims.

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Former Member — Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:15:07 GMT

Correct answer is Madame Butterfly's 200 butterfly swim more than two decades ago. Deadline for special meet hotel rates is this Friday February 27th. The postmark deadline is one week from Friday. For more information about the 2003 NE SCY Championships to be held at Harvard's Blodgett Pool on March 22nd and March 28th-30th go to: www.swimindex.com/.../ Another Blodgett Pool trivia question: What is the name of a swimmer who once parted the waters of Blodgett and who also broke a world record at the Olympics but failed to win the gold in the event?

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Former Member — Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:57:21 GMT

The postmark deadline is two weeks away for the 2003 New England SCY Championships to be held March 22nd (1650 and 1000) and Marchy 28-30th (all other events) at Harvard's Blodgett Pool. (Swimming trivia question: Until last year, the Blodgett Pool record board displayed the oldest American record. Who set it and when?) For more meet information and a "fill-in" pdf entry form go to: www.swimindex.com/.../

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Former Member — Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:55:54 GMT

Mary T.'s 200 Fly American Record - 1:52.99 until demolished by Natalie Coughlin at Auburn in Decemeber

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osterber — Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:53:51 GMT

FYI - The meet info web site for this meet is up, including a new Adobe Acrobat entry form that is fill-in-able, and automatically calculates entry fees: www.swimindex.com/meets/2003/nem-scy/ -Rick

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Former Member — Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:38:52 GMT

Michael: I took the 3,400 individual splashes from the pre-meet entries and added in the relays and that's how we come to the larger total. I didn't take into account scratches so perhaps you right. Pacific Masters was larger. Oh well. Still the question is Michael why don't you get more people to come to championship meets? I'm not suggesting that NEM would draw the same relative meet participation with 10,000 members (how many 50 meter pools would need to handle 5,000 swimmers?) but I do wonder why more people don't race in your area (and also in other larger LMSC such as Southern Pacific or Potomoc Valley). The growth figures you cite are for the NE-LMSC. That includes Maine Masters a group that has not been growing like NEM. Our NEM growth rate is considerably higher than 6% (I don't have the number for last year). Of course you realize that the comments regarding passing Pacific Masters was "tongue in cheek." Our only stated long term goal is to pass NE-Swimming (currently around 6,000). Nothing like a good contest. I've challenged our NEM Executive Committee to growth NEM at twice the annual growth rate of Pacific Masters. Sound like we need to hit 17% this year. I'll get the official 2002 NEM numbers and we'll give you an update on our progress later this year. Cheers

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michaelmoore — Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:45:49 GMT

That's based on total splashes including relays. When you add in our relays we were larger than Pacific Masters. I went back to the SCY meet results, Pacific Masters had 3252 Actual swims of those swims 314 were relays. According to the Rick Osterberg in thread Pacific SCY Championships NEM had 3166 splashes of which 326 relays. Pacific beating NEM by 86 splashes. Now if you are counting bodies hitting the water, therefore counting a relays as four splashes, NEM would narrow the gap by 36 (3 extra swimmers x 12 - the difference in relays). Pacific would beat NEM 50 splashes. Now it could be that NEM will have more splashes that Pacific in the 2003 SCY championships. NEM allows swimmers over the course of the three day meet to swim 12 individual events and 5 relays (or is it now 4 relays). Pacific allows swimmers to swim 7 individual events and 5 relays. A NEM swimmer who wants to get the maximum number of splashes will swim at least 33% more events that the Pacific swimmer. There are slightly more NEM relays per number of swimmers. I would look upon that as the result of the pressure to compete for the "workout group." (A good thing as most have fun.). In Pacific we have workout groups only we call them teams - a limiting factor to relays about relays is that a group of swimmers from small teams cannot join together to form a relay. (IMHO a NEM workout group is really a team - the workout groups have different price structures according to the NEM web site. I guess (and it is only a guess) is that there is no supervision of the workout group coaches by a general coach. -though at our current growth rate our people at MIT predict we'll pass you in membership before the 2012 Olympics. At the end of 2002 NEM had 1739 swimmers a gain of 6.1% over their 2001 ending total of 1639 - a 6.1 % gain. Pacific at the end of 2002 had 10076 members a gain of 4.1% over their ending 2001 total of 9684. Pacific had 8637 more swimmers than NEM. If we projected that out to 2002 at current growth rates at the end of 2012, NEM would have 3114 swimmers and Pacific would have 15058 or almost 12000 more swimmers. What this means for NEM I have challenged our Pacific Masters board to have a net increase of swimmers equal to 1/2 the number of registered NEM swimmers or about 870 swimmers. Catch us if you can. michael