Timing devices in long distance races

RE: Timing devices in long distance races

Former Member — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:16:17 GMT

I've never been to an open water/ocean swim where anyone has said anything about wearing a watch. I wear a watch . . . my friends wear watches . . . no problems in USMS sanctioned swims or otherwise in my experience. carl

RE: Timing devices in long distance races

Kevin in MD — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 02:55:26 GMT

Originally posted by Rob Copeland Yes it applies to watches. Is there anything to back this up? Leo's Original note (I finally found it) says specifically that it does not apply to long distances. (www.usms.org/.../2004ruleupdate.pdf) Has there been additional guidance from the rules committee that supersedes this memo? Thanks

RE: Timing devices in long distance races

MPohlmann — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:28:12 GMT

Kevin, Interestingly, your quotation of USMS Rule 102.15.9 includes the word PACE which was added by USA Swimming in their rules in June 2004 and adopted by USMS, as well, to conform with FINA rules. I see that the hard copy 2005 USMS rulebook does not have the word PACE included. I'm sure that was just an oversight. The online version shows an update of page 17 on 6/6/05 which includes the word PACE. This does refer to watches, as interpreted by USA Swimming. "INTERPRETATION: The official interpretation of USA Swimming Rule 102.10.10 as amended to conform to FINA rule SW 10.15 is that no mechanical or electronic device that can convey pace or speed may be worn in competition. " I remember discussion of this rule and its interpretation at 2004 USMS Convention specifically indicating that it did not apply to our Long Distance rules and it is not included in the long distance disqualification section of our rulebook: 303.2.3, 303.2.4, 303.8, nor in the Open Water section of USA Swimming Rules. However, USA Swimming Open Water rules do prohibit "Receiving aid from a non-competing person in the form of pacing." USA Swimming Rule 701.5.7. No such wording prohibiting pacing information from a non-competing person (e.g., coach) is found in the USMS Long Distance rules. Mary Pohlmann Ozark USA Swimming Official

RE: Timing devices in long distance races

Rob Copeland — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:55:38 GMT

Originally posted by Kevin in MD If it does apply, does this include watches? Verbal instruction? Shouldn't we then also forbid the swimmer receiving pace information from the crew in an escorted swim? Yes it applies to watches. No it does not apply to support crews or to coaches verbal instructions or gestures.